Open rough draft for forming a RC advocacy group.....

Arthur Sowers arthures at
Wed Jan 17 12:22:30 EST 2001

Thanks for the response, Valerian.....see below

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 valerian at wrote:

> Very good idea. Let me suggest a complimentary path of development of
> such Research Careers Advocacy organization. The best scheme for
> scientists would be to have a regulatory board such as lawyers and
> doctors have to let the specialists to practise. In science, PhD does
> not work as such a limiting factor anymore. Thus, only approved members
> of the proposed science board could be hired (in the US) as scientists
> to industry or as faculty. The problem is, the government and the
> industry will not want the introduction of such a board as this will
> limit the cheap supply of intellectual workers.

We already have professional licensing which is an authority of each
state. There are regular licenses which you just pay money to get
(eg. business license [I have one of these from Delaware]), but for
professional licenses, you need to pass a test. Its not so easy. Doctor,
Lawyer, Psychologist, Plumber, Electrician, etc. 

> In this situation, I would suggest to hire lots of lawyers into the RC
> Advocacy organization, so that they would help unlawfully fired
> scientists to get compensation (at reduced fee or for free)... and
> there are lots of such scientists.

Most lawers need lots of money, AND the case has to be good. I have some
refernces on my website.

 The organisation should lobby the
> government for financing the organisation's lawyers. 

This is hard to do, but we do have a NLRB which has lawyers that sometimes
sue corporations over violations of our labor laws. 

The organisation
> would gain recognition among scientists of the US and instill fear into
> administration of the scientists' employers.

Well, there are some chairs and deans I'd like to have some lightning
bolts land on their desks!!!!

 With time the organisation
> will become more and more influential. The next step would be to
> organise a branch at every university and R&D company. Because of the
> influence of the RSA organisation, it would be easy for the branch head
> to insist that the administration of a university or a company makes
> any staff appointment only with the approval of the RSA branch, which,
> in turn, will make the approval decision based on the RSA head office
> written policy or by the RSA head office recommendation. By the end of
> the day, no non-RSA member gets hired to any scientific position
> anywhere in the US. The RSA Board will conduct a reasonable policy of
> training the reasonable amount of new scientists. Simple as that. I
> could help with implementing such a system.

Nice idea, but not so simple. Unions in certain states, in connection with
what is called a "business agent" can sometime shut down work if the
workers are not unionized. I actually saw this done once when I was a kid.

> But wait ! I am recalling that this is actually the description given
> by Vladimir Il'ich of how he brought the "bolsheviks" to power in
> Russia in the beginning of the last century.

I don't know enough about this history. Besides, after 70 years, it fell
appart. Nice try, eh?

 But what the hell ! It
> worked ! Amerika, you have nothing to loose besides the fat of your
> beaurocrats !!!

Oh, wait a minute. Those fat bureaucrats (and aristocrats, and
plutocrats) all work hard paying lawyers and media influencers to keep the
status quo. Even when we had more than Republicans and Democrats running
for our election, the Republicans and Democrats worked together to keep
third or higher numbers of "competitors" from getting national debate time
on our TV. So much for our (partly) free country.


> Regards,
> Valerian
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