"AIDS Treatment News" online * New Issue #302 (searchable/indexed)

Carlton Hogan carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu
Wed Nov 4 15:55:01 EST 1998

In article <363f98b9.88372784 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
 <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 2 Nov 1998 19:37:52 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>Hogan) wrote:
>>In article <36367faa.99068159 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:11:36 -0700, marnix at u.washington.edu (Marnix L.
>>>Bosch) wrote:
>>>>In article <36364960.85168152 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>> On 27 Oct 1998 17:49:13 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>>>>> Hogan) wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You are a silly and amazingly ignorant man. In the below you state:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >">If, assuming that you are correct, which I don't believe, that
>>>>> >>antibodies do "not" always mean that you have conquered infection, as
>>>>> >>I stated before, how can you arbitrarily recommend using them to
>>>>> >>signify protection one time(as with prophylactic vaccination against
>>>>> >>Hepatitis B and not with HIV?  What, please tell me, would an
>>>>> >>individual "vaccinated" against HIV present as proof of immunization?
>>>>> >>He would be HIV + of course!  Again, are these "non-neutralizing"
>>>>> >>antibodies in the latter case or neutralizing antibodies in the first
>>>>> >>case?"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your stupidity is amazing. I never have said that I "reccomend using them
>>>>> >to signify protection". 
>>>>> I never said that YOU did.  You don't treat patients, remember?
>>>>> Not only are you a pompous ass, you're a defensive pompous ass.  Talk
>>>>> to me, us, about "enhancing" antibodies.  A few of my other ignorant
>>>>> medical colleagues, including 2 board certified medical pathologist
>>>>> and a molecular biologist are laughing their asses off at your
>>>>> bullshit.  Do you really believe that because you say something in
>>>>> scientific jargon that people believe it?  If they can't understand
>>>>> what you are saying, and they don't know who you are, why should they
>>>>> believe you?  Come on, talk to us all, o.k., just me about "enhancing"
>>>>> antibodies.  Make your case.  No references to medline searches.  They
>>>>> don't bring up the term. 
>>>>PubMed search: enhancing antibodies: 421 hits; enhancing antibodies AND
>>>>HIV: 43 hits. 
>>>>> MY stupidity is amazing?  
>>>Give us a few sites to get started, big boy. jb
>>Can't you just be a man, and admit you are wrong? Such realistic humility
>>is the first step to learning.
>Can't you just agree to a one on one debate with someone like Rasnick
>or Duesberg that will cut your balls off?jb

Steve Harris, Bob Holzman, George Carter and I have all agreed to debate 
Duesberg, making the offers over a five-six year period. Nobody 
has shown up.


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