"AIDS Treatment News" online * New Issue #302 (searchable/indexed)
carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu
Wed Nov 4 16:04:13 EST 1998
In article <363f9ca5.89376972 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
<johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 2 Nov 1998 20:47:59 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>>In article <363ce241.84284241 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:26:27 GMT, gmc0 at ix.netcom.com (George M.
>>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>Vaccination-induced seropositivity is NOT the same as
>>>Vaccination-induced seropositivity is NOT the same as
>>>How do you know? How do you know?
>>Because he reads the literature. It really helps in understanding.
`>Because he can, excuse me, "read"?
Once again, your command of the material, and thoughtful analysis
>>> (There are many different kinds of
>>>>vaccines, including whole-killed, live but disabled, subunit and other
>>>>varieties; the "live but disabled" variety (my terms)
>>Actually, for the vaccines currently in trials, there *is* a distinctive
>>and unique wester blot associated with vaccination. This is because no
>>vaccine is using whole HIV, but just incomplete collections of antigens.
>Absolutely bogus. No vaccine and you already got the wester(sic) blot
What the hell are you talking about? There are at least two vaccines
rapidly appproaching phase III (VaxSyn and Remune), and *dozens* in
phase I trials.
>>>How will the test be
>>>able to tell, with certaintly, that the seropositive status is from
>>>"non-neutralizing" antibodies(I just love that term, it's so
>>>"grounding") or the real McCoy? Obviously the only way one will know
>>>for sure is if they don't develop AIDS. Isn't that special?
>>It's not true, is what it is. See the above.
>see the above
Your ignorance of the existing clinical trials doesn't mean they
don't exist - try http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu and use the "trialfinder"
to get sites, eligibility, etc for the current vaccine trials in the US.
Not even mentioning the trials going on in Africa, Thailand, etc.
>Isolation of the HIV retrovirus hasn't been accomplished(remember the
>$1 million dollar reward in Continuum. So, even if, if it caused
>AIDS, which it obviously doesn't, how are you going to make the proper
>antigen for the vaccine?
Funny: your hero, Duesberg claims it *has* been isolated, and tried to
collect the prize. The folks at continuum "moved the goalposts" and
screwed him over.
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