"AIDS Treatment News" online * New Issue #302 (searchable/indexed)

johnburgin at worldnet.att.net johnburgin at worldnet.att.net
Wed Oct 14 12:30:57 EST 1998

On 14 Oct 98 07:59:45 EDT, holzmr01 at mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu (ROBERT S.
HOLZMAN) wrote:

>In article <3623dacc.623177053 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>, johnburgin at worldnet.att.net writes:
>> On 13 Oct 1998 17:12:03 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>> Hogan) wrote:
>>>In article <ShzPMvTWl66V at mcrcr6>,
>>>ROBERT S. HOLZMAN <holzmr01 at mcrcr6.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>>>>In article <6vteq4$9jk at dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, gmc0 at ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) writes:
>>>>> johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>>>>No.  It was just dead cold wrong.  
>>>>>>Well, have I moved off of the idiotic list, Mr Carter?  I've been
>>>>>>upgraded to simply dead wrong?  I gave you "A" study, I can give you
>>>>>>lots more with higher doses.  Want to keep looking foolish?
>>>>> No, you're still an idiot, not to worry. And wrong, too.
>>>>> As to other studies using higher doses, yes, there are.
>>>>> But let's get to the point.'
>>>>>>no I didn't.  I said higher doses were used than today.  Don't mislead
>>>>>>our audience.  Remember, they can read too.
>>>>>> that people were taking 1200 mg or some high dose until the
>>>>>>protease inhibitors came along, then the dose dropped.  
>>>>Dosage changed in 1989, quite a bit before PIs came along.
>>>As I recall it, it was ACTG 002 that drove the change in standard care.
>>>This was the second trial ever initiated by the ACTG, which (under 
>>>the name ATEG) was started in 1987.
>> Was that one for me?  I don't want to sound unappreciative. jb
>I don't know if it is one for you.  Were you the one who said dosage changed
>in response to PI availabilty?  Seems like you were arguing that the dosage
>was reduced in combo therapy.  It was reduced long before.
>However if it is one for you, take it.  You need it pretty bad.

I'll stand my ground.  Most of the information that I have is that
regardless of the amount of reduction, the dosage of the AZT, even at
600mg is less than it was prior to the PI's "standard" cocktail.
Maybe you don't know most physicians as well as I do.  Consistency
with them, god bless them, is like trying to herd kittens. I'll take
your comments as being well intended.  No, you can't begin to
comprehend how badly we all need some common ground.  Not all of us
live in a laboratory.  jb

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