"AIDS Treatment News" online * New Issue #302 (searchable/indexed)

Carlton Hogan carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu
Tue Oct 27 17:37:35 EST 1998


In article <3636479a.84714787 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
 <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 27 Oct 1998 18:04:44 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>Hogan) wrote:
>
>>In article <363541e0.17702413 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>Standard errors are all that you can produce when you have a faulty
>>>premise.  Still don't know what spontaneous generation is?  
>>
>>I think no more need be said about this clown's scientific acumen.
>>John- look up standard error in any biostatistic or epidemiology test.
>>I think you will be amazed at how different the meaning is from what 
>>you imagine.
>Call me anything you prefer, the fact remains that standardized error
>is immaterial when the basic premise for the test is flawed.

What test is that? We were talking about the standard error on HEALs
claim of 1000 healthy HIV+. No test in sight. Try and stay awake, dear.

>  No,
>you're wrong, there's nothing that you guys could say that wouldn't
>strecth my imagination.  I believe that you fellas have pretty much
>left yourselves so openminded that your brains have fallen out and you
>don't know it.  Faulty premise, HIV doesn't cause AIDS.  No scientific
>paper has proven it.  You can't use the "prove it doesn't" routine,
>you know better. Show us all the paper, the magic, peer reviewed paper
>concluding that HIV causes AIDS 

All you layperson dissidents harp on and on about this magic paper
that "proves" HIV causes AIDS. Where is the paper that proves influenza
causes the flu? Or that T.Pallidum causes syphilis? Or that M. tuberculosis
causes TB? The magical, all-in-one paper you demand would need
to incorporate molecular biology, virology, epidemiology etc. Such
a comprehensive paper has never been written (except in review articles).
This is because epidemiologists talk about what they know:
epidemiology. Virologists publish on virology - it's their fielf. 
This magical paper you demand is not standard scientific practice,
and does not exist for most diseases where even you would concede
a causative micoorganism has been identified.

Carlton




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