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johnburgin at worldnet.att.net johnburgin at worldnet.att.net
Fri Sep 25 16:08:31 EST 1998

On 25 Sep 1998 20:52:04 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
Hogan) wrote:

>In article <360bfe32.317922269 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>On 25 Sep 1998 16:40:29 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>>Hogan) wrote:
>>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>>I have spoken to AIDS patients that I have treated
>>>>>that don't know why they are taking chemotherapy medication.  
>>>Please name a prescribed drug that is *not* chemotherapy. If you treat
>>>patients, I will eat my hat.
>>Are you hungry? Dose makes the poison, I said that before.  Aspirin,
>>is a chemotherapy drug.  Now, just be sure that our laiety isn't
>>confused, and without any Clintonesque problems with defining terms,
>>ask any person who has been through "chemotherapy" what a chemotherapy
>>drug is.  You won't need to put stars around their responses. jb
>No stars necessary. Sure, the poison is in the dose: enough salt
>or water can kill somebody. Yet we don't advise against salt or 
>water. I'll say it again, slowly so that you can grasp it:
>dissidents commonly use the term "chemotherapy" when talking
>about HIV antivirals specifically and intentionally to confuse 
>people by making them think that cytotoxic cancer chemotherapy 
well, imagine how confused those "people" must be when you, you dumb
ass, cannot even understand that AZT is a DNA chain terminator.  That
was probably the most ignorant statement that you have made thus far.
>is being discussed. Although AZT was screened as a candidate 
>molecule for anti-neoplastic drugs, it failed, in great degree 
>because it was not cytotoxic enough
Oh contrare, it was cytotoxic enough to be dc'd as a chemotherapy drug
when first developed at the Detroit Cancer Foundation, 1964, Jerome
Horwitz, head of the lab,  because more lab rats DIED with AZT than
without it when treated for tumors.  I guess that's not factual enough
for you either, eh? jb
. If you were a medical 
>professional, you would know these things, or at least find 
>out before you shot your mouth off.

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