Cloning trick

David-Paul Minde via (by davidminde from
Wed Dec 23 03:17:40 EST 2009

indeed a good trick if compatible with your strategy, in other cases,
simply using high-fidelity variants of enzymes helps to minimize star
activity artefacts by orders of magnitude (according to published
reports for some NEB enzymes)
best wishes/merry x-mas and all the best for the new year,

2009/12/23 DK <dk from>:
> In article <mailman.16.1261516665.27757.methods from>, "Jayakumar, R" <R.Jayakumar from> wrote:
>>You mean you want to linearise the construct by cutting it with a RE
>>outside the expression cassette before transformation???  Is that what
>>you mean.  I don't see the purpose of cutting a vector after ligating vector
>>and fragment to clone a PCR fragment efficiently.  It does not make much
> It does make sense! Sometimes. In special or very hard cases.
> The original is hard to interpret so I won't comment. But with regard to
> your reply, I can offer two cases where cutting ligation mix makes
> sense:
> Say, MCS contains sites ABCDEF and you clone your insert
> by A and E. If, for whatever reason, your ligation worked very
> poorly (but ligase did work), you will mostly get back your original
> plasmid. However, if your insert is not cut with enzymes B and D,
> you could have cut the ligation mix with either B or D (or both).
> Since linear DNA is 1,000-10,000X less transforming, if you get
> any clones after doing this, almost all of them will be positive.
> Even if you are doing everything 100% right and you ligations
> work wonderfully, there are several circumstance where doing
> the above makes sense. I had the following cases:
> 1. Huge plasmid that needed to be cut with an enzyme that cut
> it incredibly poorly (and also had start activity). Because of the
> size, there was no easy way to separate cut and uncut forms.
> But couple of other sites that would be excised in the positive
> clones cut it without any problems.
> 2. Blunt cloning that destroys site for the blunt cutter. (In fact,
> with a little foresight, this can be used to do directional
> blunt cloning).
> 3. Quick and dirty protein expression tests when ligations
> work/should work very well. Transform cut ligation mix
> directly into expression strain, don't select clones but scrape
> everything off the plate (which should be >>99.9% positives)
> and use it as a starter culture. This way, the day after ligation
> one can induce and run an expression gel to, say, check
> expression level/solubility pattern of the new construct(s).
> DK
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: methods-bounces from [mailto:methods-bounces from
>>] On Behalf Of Nasser Mahna
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:23 PM
>>To: methods from
>>Subject: Cloning trick
>>Dear All,
>>I would to ask if there is anybody mastered in working with restriction a=
>>nd digestion.
>>I want to clone a pcr fragment inside a binary vector. To do it efficient=
>>ly, I want to use a restriction enzyme after ligating vector and fragment=
>>, which cuts the original uncut vector before transformation.
>>what method do you offer?
>>Best regards,
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