Proced./White Ct/Self-Help

John Gentile yjgent at home.com
Sat Feb 3 22:44:23 EST 2001


Get a second opinion from another urologist. No one should have to live with
an infection. The process of getting a diagnostic specimen is different than
you think. Our process consists of a clean catch urine set up for a culture
and urinalysis followed by a urine collection taken by the urologist
following a prostatic massage (semen is not a good specimen!) The results of
the 2 specimens (both the culture and the urinalysis) are compared. If the
WBCs and the bacteria are present in the 1st specimen then it is a
bladder/kidney problem. If the 1st specimen is clear and the second has
increased WBCs and bacteria then it is a prostate problem. Our urologists do
treat. 

Did your exam also include a PSA level? That would be important.
-- 
John Gentile                                    Rhode Island Apple Group
yjgent at home.com                                      President
 "I never make mistakes, I only have unexpected learning opportunities"

> From: kuriyama at my-deja.com
> Organization: Deja.com
> Newsgroups: bionet.microbiology
> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:01:58 GMT
> Subject: Re: Proced./White Ct/Self-Help
> 
> John- The condition is chronic prostatitis.  Prostatic fluid is examined
> for total white cell count.  I have gone to a urologist who has done the
> testing.  He indicated I have a total white cell count of 20-25 - he
> indicated that it should be less than 5 - preferrably 0.  He indicated it
> is bacterial.  Antibiotics are not recommended due to the problems of
> antibiotics getting within the prostate - essentially he indicated I must
> live with it.  I went to a oriental physician (acupuncture/herbal).  She
> is doing treatment, but it is difficult to determin how well we are
> accomplishing our goal - she asked me if I can get another total white
> count of the prostatic fluid.  The only way that this can be done is by
> doing it myself.  There are two articles in PUBMED concerning oriental
> medicine and chronic prostatitis - one on acupuncture and the other is a
> chinese herbal called 8-ingredient pill - these treatments have had
> some success.  This is the only microbiology I ever plan to get involved
> with - forced by necessity - I am just asking for some guidance-  Randy
> 
> In article <B6A19C32.107E%yjgent at home.com>,
> John Gentile <yjgent at home.com> wrote:
>> First of all WBC's in a fluid are there for a reason and THAT has to be
>> figured out before you try to get rid of the WBCs. If there is an infection
>> trying to reduce the WBCs without getting rid of the infection can turn into
>> a life threatening situation. Exactly what kind of "fluid" are we talking
>> about, and what kind of WBC count? There are many body fluids some of which
>> are considered sterile and should not have a significant WBC count - note
>> the word "significant". Another thing to consider is what kind of WBC you
>> are talking about - there are several and the different ones respond to
>> different kinds of situations.
>> 
>> I think you are getting into a dangerous situation in trying to do this home
>> therapy. To set up a home lab for someone who doesn't know the basics would
>> be far too complicated to explain the process and the very expensive
>> equipment needed. A "Neubauer" chamber goes for over $100 and is fragile -
>> you always need a spare. A good microscope to discern cellular differences
>> costs thousands of $$. Stains may be restricted because of chemical hazards
>> and can't be bought at the local pharmacy.
>> 
>> Sorry, but I'm not going to try to explain the procedure. Pseudo science and
>> pseudo medicine is a danger to all.
>> 
>> --
>> John Gentile                                    Rhode Island Apple Group
>> yjgent at home.com                                      President
>> "I never make mistakes, I only have unexpected learning opportunities"
>> 
>>> From: kuriyama at my-deja.com
>>> Organization: Deja.com
>>> Newsgroups: bionet.microbiology
>>> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:12:15 GMT
>>> Subject: Proced./White Ct/Self-Help
>>> 
>>> I need help in figuring out the total white cell
>>> count in a fluid.  I have access to a microscope
>>> and can purchase the rest of the supplies.  It is a
>>> long story about why I cannot go through a good
>>> lab, but here is a brief explanation - I am doing
>>> alternative therapies to lower the total white cell
>>> count down (not in blood-this is not a life
>>> threating situation).  I do know it is high.  Can
>>> anyone explain the procedure for determining total
>>> white cell count, as well as  what kind of slide
>>> covers to purchase, stain, grids, ect. needed for
>>> this situation. Thank you- Randy
>>> 
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