THE SEARCH FOR YY-CHROMOSOMAL MAN, AND SUCH...

THE MANNKEY cafe8 at smedia.com.sg
Sun Apr 14 19:48:17 EST 1996


TO NCBI, NATIONAL CENTER FOR BIOTECHNOLOGY INFORMATION:

RE: THE SEARCH FOR YY-CHROMOSOMAL MAN, AND SUCH...
POSTED/EMAILED YESTERDAY,  THU APR 11, 1996.

I COULDN'T GET THROUGH TO THE ADDRESS YOU GAVE AT YOUR WEB SITE FOR 
QUERIES AND QUESTIONS: www at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
SO I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND MY RE-ROUTING THIS QUERY THROUGH THIS AVENUE 
[USER COMMENTS], AND IF NEED BE, COULD YOU PLEASE RELAY IT TO THE 
ABOVEMENTIONED ADDRESS.  THANK YOU.



RE: THE SEARCH FOR YY-CHROMOSOMAL MAN, AND SUCH...



THIS HAS JUST OCCURRED TO ME, WHICH I CONSIDER OF CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE.  
IT HAD OCCURRED TO ME EARLIER, BUT HAD BEEN 
SUPPRESSED/OVERRIDDEN/OVERLOOKED BECAUSE OF MY INCREDULOUS MALE SEXIST 
BENT: THERE IS A THIRD POSSIBILITY WITH REGARD TO YOUR DEFINITION OF Y 
CHROMOSOME AND REFERENCE THEREIN TO "MAN" AS A "MALE-HETEROGAMETIC 
SPECIES".

BUT FIRST, LET ME BE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE NECESSARY REFERENCES:

I GOT TO YOUR DEFINITION OF Y CHROMOSOME BY GOING THROUGH THE FOLLOWING 
SEQUENCE:

1.  GET TO THE HOMEPAGE OF NCBI AT: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
2.  CLICK ON: ENTREZ SEARCH SYSTEM.
3.  CLICK ON: Find MEDLINE articles that match a given text.
4.  CLICK ON: ENTREZ MEDLINE.
5.  FOR SEARCH UNDER CURRENT QUERY, ENTER: HUMAN Y CHROMOSOME.
6.  FOR ADD TERMS TO CURRENT QUERY, ENTER: HUMAN YY-CHROMOSOMAL MALE.
7.  GO DOWN, ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF THE LISTING OF 200 OF 388 MATCHED 
ARTICLES, TO ABOUT THE EIGHTH ARTICLE OR SO:

I.   [ON THE UK/BRITISH/ENGLISH,? SIDE:]
	LOCATE:
	Whitfield, 1995
	Sequence variation of the human Y chromosome
	Nature 378, 379-380 (1995) [96077106]

	SELECT:
	CITATION FORMAT

	CLICK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OF MeSH TERMS:
	Y Chromosome*

II. [ON THE AMERICAN SIDE:]
	LOCATE [JUST AFTER THE ABOVE ARTICLE:]
	Hammer, 1995
	A recent common ancestry for human Y chromosome
	Nature 378, 376-378 (1995) [96077105]

	SELECT:
	CITATION FORMAT

	CLICK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OF MeSH TERMS:
	Y Chromosome*


THE CREDENTIALS OF THE AUTHORS OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES, RESPECTIVELY, ARE:

I.	L.S. WHITFIELD, J.E. SULSTON & P.N. GOODFELLOW
	DEPARTMENT OF GENETICS, UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE, UK

II.	M.F. HAMMER
	LABORATORY OF MOLECULAR SYSTEMATICS AND EVOLUTION, 	
BIOSCIENCES WEST, UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, TUCSON 85721, USA
	

THE INFORMATION READOUT/DEFINITION OF Y CHROMOSOME MENTIONED ABOVE IS 
SHORT, SO I QUOTE IT IN FULL HERE, AS FOLLOWS:

>>	Y CHROMOSOME
>>	
>>	The male sex chromosome, being the differential sex chromosome carried by half >>	the male gametes and none of the female gametes 
in man and in some other male->>	heterogametic species in which 
the homologue of the X chromosome has been 
>>	retained.	<<



... . . .

3.  GIVEN THAT THE MALE Y CHROMOSOME IS "CARRIED BY HALF THE MALE 
GAMETES AND NONE OF THE FEMALE GAMETES IN MAN", OR CONVERSELY, THE 
FEMALE X CHROMOSOME IS CARRIED BY HALF THE MALE GAMETES AND ALL THE 
FEMALE GAMETES [?] IN MAN, IN OTHER WORDS, CONSIDERING THAT MAN 
CHROMOSOMALLY/GAMETICALLY SPEAKING IS THREE-QUARTERS FEMALE 
X-CHROMOSOMAL, BY SAYING "MALE-HETEROGAMETIC SPECIES IN WHICH THE 
HOMOLOGUE OF THE X CHROMOSOME HAS BEEN RETAINED"YOU SEEM TO IMPLY THAT 
THE HUMAN SPECIES IS ONE IN WHICH THE FEMALE X CHROMOSOME IS THE 
UNIFORMLY PREVALENT GENERIC SEX DETERMINANT, WHEREBY THE MALE Y 
CHROMOSOME IS MORE THE VARIABLE AND THE FEMALE X CHROMOSOME IS MORE THE 
STAPLE MAINSTAY OF THE SPECIES, AND THE "NORMAL" XY-CHROMOSOMAL MALE 
QUIRK OR "MALE-HETEROGAMETIC" "SEX FINGERPRINT" OF THE MALE OF THE 
SPECIES IS USED AS A DISTINGUISHING FEATURE FOR CLASSIFYING THE HUMAN 
SPECIES OR MAN IN RELATION/CONTRADISTINCTION TO THE FEMALE 
XX-CHROMOSOMAL/FEMALE-HOMOGAMETIC UNIFORMLY PREVALENT IN MAN, AND OUT 
THERE?, IN WHAT THE BBC HAS DESCRIBED AS "A SEA OF ESTROGEN" [, WHAT THE 
MANNKEY HAS ALWAYS CALLED "FEMALE TERRITORY"]?  IN OTHER WORDS, ARE YOU 
IMPLYING/SAYING THAT ENGLISH IS WRONG IN CALLING THE HUMAN SPECIES 
"MAN", AND SHOULD INDEED INSTEAD CALL IT "WOMAN"?

SO, AGAIN, JUST WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

YOU MIGHT SIMPLY SAY THAT "HUMAN" IS THE PREFERRED TERM, BUT YOU 
ACTUALLY USED "MAN" IN THE ABOVEMENTIONED DEFINITION OF THE Y 
CHROMOSOME.  AT ANY RATE, BASED ON WHAT DATA YOU HAVE NOW, WHICH IS THE 
MORE CORRECT, SCIENTIFICALLY SPEAKING?, TO CALL THE HUMAN SPECIES [IN 
THIS HISTORICAL LITTLE WORLD], TO A WORD: "MAN", OR "WOMAN"?  WHAT DATA 
THAT HAVE ALLOWED/ENABLED/EMBOLDENED,? YOU TO MAKE A STATEMENT,S LIKE 
"MALE-HETEROGAMETIC SPECIES", AND OR, "[IN WHICH THE] HOMOLOGUE OF THE X 
CHROMOSOME [HAS BEEN RETAINED]"?... . . .

AND WHY, DO YOU THINK, IS IT THAT ENGLISH KEEPS TAGGING "MAN" AND "MALE" 
WITH "WOMAN" AND "FEMALE"?  IS THERE ANY SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIABLE 
SUBSTANCE IN THE SEEMING ENGLISH LOGIC THAT SUGGESTS THAT "MAN" AND 
"MALE" ARE THE BASIS UPON WHICH ALL OTHER [GRADATIONS OF] SEX,UALITY,IES 
ARE BUILT AND OR DISCERNED AND OR EVEN POSSIBLY NAMED?  WHY IS THERE NO 
CLEAR SHEERING AWAY BETWEEN THESE TWO SEXES [MALE AND FEMALE] LIKE, FOR 
EXAMPLE, IN GERMAN "MANN" AND "FRAU" AND "MAENNLICH/MA"NNLICH" AND 
"WEIBLICH/[THE FEMINISTS MIGHT PREFER?]FRAULICH", RESPECTIVELY, WHERE 
PHONEMICALLY/PHONETICALLY/SEMANTICALLY?/EVEN, ETYMOLOGICALLY?, "MANN" 
HAS PRACTICALLY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH "FRAU", AND 
"MAENNLICH/MA"NNLICH" HAS PRACTICALLY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 
"FRAULICH/WEIBLICH"?

SO ENGLISH IS ALSO A GERMANIC LANGUAGE.  YET GERMAN SAYS "DER MENSCH", 
SIMPLY, "HUMAN", FOR "THE HUMAN SPECIES, THE HUMAN RACE, MAN [THE 
GENUS], MANKIND", AND "DIE, MENSCHHEIT", SIMPLY, "HUMANKIND", FOR "THE 
HUMAN RACE, HUMANITY, MANKIND", AND FINALLY, "DER PEKINGMENSCH", SIMPLY 
"[THE] PEKING HUMAN", FOR "PEKING MAN".  SO, ON THE ONE HAND, ARE YOU 
SIMPLY GOING TO SAY THAT THE LOCAL SCIENCE SUGGESTS THAT ENGLISH SHOULD, 
LIKE GERMAN, SIMPLY SAY "HUMAN" INSTEAD OF "MAN" [THE GENUS] FOR THE 
HUMAN SPECIES, "HUMANKIND" INSTEAD OF "MANKIND", AND "[THE] PEKING 
HUMAN" INSTEAD OF "PEKING MAN", AND ON THE OTHER, GOING BY THE 
ABOVEGIVEN DEDUCTIONS, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT ENGLISH SHOULD INDEED BE 
MORE ACCURATE [IF ONLY TWIXT THE TWAIN] TO SAY "WOMAN" INSTEAD OF "MAN" 
[THE GENUS] FOR THE HUMAN SPECIES, "WOMANKIND" INSTEAD OF "MANKIND", AND 
EVEN "PEKING WOMAN" INSTEAD OF "PEKING MAN"?... . . .

PLEASE REPLY.

THANK YOU.

SINCERELY

THE MANNKEY

ID PARTICULARS/MAILING ADDRESS [RESIDENCE]:

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