CAN PLANTS FEEL......PAIN??????

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>>From:	<Unknown at net.bio.net> (jeroen) 
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>>Date:	Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:42:32 -0300 
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>>Please help me. 
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>>I'm a dutch med-student at the University of Leuven in Belgium and I'm a 
>>bit confused. I know that plants got at least 5 major 'hormones', some 
>>of them being secreted when in a 'life' threatning situation. I do know 
>>plants lack any form of nervous system, but if you think of it: nerve cells 
>>are more or less like normal cells (they also got a membrane potential,  
>>only they can't fire...action-potentials)...In short what do I say to 
>>somebody attacking my vegan life style with this??????? 
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>  Dear Jeroen: In answer, wait only some 400 million years. Many groups 
>of Planta & Fungi are presently developing potential patterning 
>structures. Since our local tradition is hylozoist -perhaps you read our 
>former postings- we find no difficulty in conceiving the natural selection 
>of mechanisms for differentially producing non-structural, one-witness 
>characterizations making interactive the holographic-like forms defined 
>by such patterning ("objects"), just as forwarded by Prof. Christfried 
>Jakob's important models since 1906 in South America (you have some 
>books of him in Leuwen, in Med. Faculty and in the Jan van der Hoeven 
>Stichting f. theor. Biologie -Groenhovenstrasse-, where Prof. Jeuken was 
>most interested in them).  Of course you live amid a different academic 
>medium, and not to offend some societal values such prospective is to 
>be deemed scandalous.  We understand Leuwen as specially 
>backwardish in this regard and just to cope with it Prof. Jeuken tried 
>some moves, unfortunately aborted; but this is not the place to dwell 
>upon them. In our hylozoist academic tradition, conversely, it is 
>absolutely expectable. Please read again my previous postings to this 
>list (I believe they are automatically available through the <biosci-
>server at net.bio.net>  via WAIS; contact <biosci-help at net.bio.net> for 
>further help; I don't know if these previous postings of mine to this and 
>other biosci lists are indexed under my name, or instead -more probably- 
>under Administrador del Nodo. See Biosci/Bionet Frequently Asked 
>Questions: "How do I find back issues of Biosci postings?").  Of course 
>the views of our tradition are not shared by most colleagues abroad 
>(though industrial furtherance requires them; this is another question 
>regarding the forthcoming evolution of neurosciences -and also of 
>physics- of which we are most acutely aware), but this is due to the 
>peculiar conceptual itinerary locally followed here, upon more than a 
>century of mostly isolated neurobiological elaboration. 
>      Not nonce, but probably sundry of times the differential production of 
>such one-witness non-structuralities (emotions, perceptualities, etc.) was 
>selected in different phyla, more or less apart from the Proterozoic 
>plantal ancestors.  Glial-like, graduate potentials already exist in Planta.  
>Don't forget that in the 60's one major contribution of our tradition was 
>the formal homology between the interference mechanisms of ciliary 
>control in Proterozoic Ciliata and the holographic-holophonic-like 
>reverberations patterning the (interactive) objects contents at the 
>sentient parenchymae of the brain...  We are simply plants that trade off 
>photosynthesis for feelings to thrive away of thermodynamic equilibrium 
>(and if as a future MD at a chiefly Catholic environment you become 
>preoccupied by the personhood, let me mention that in this schematized 
>scene it has its lieu via the problematics of the cadacualtez or 
>Jemeinigkeit, completely aside of the natural sciences' research but also 
>afar of the philosophical and theological categories previously 
>instrumented to apprehend it). 
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>     Cheers,  
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       Prof. Mariela Szirko,
       <postmaster at neubio.sld.ar> 
                            
       Centro de Investig. Neurobiologicas, Ministry of
Health & Welfare, Argentine Republic; and 
       Lab. of Electroneurobiological Res., 
Hospital "Dr. Jose Tiburcio Borda", Municipality of Buenos Aires,
       Office:  Phone/Fax (54 1) 306 -7314
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