Quantum Physics and Neurons
ingber at ingber.com
Tue Nov 26 09:03:30 EST 1996
I agree with the sentiments/thoughts below. I have stated as much
from a physics point of view in smni96_nonlinear.ps.Z
%A L. Ingber
%T Nonlinear nonequilibrium nonquantum nonchaotic statistical
mechanics of neocortical interactions
%J Behavioral and Brain Sciences
%O URL http://www.ingber.com/smni96_nonlinear.ps.Z
In article <32945264.883857 at news.twics.com>,
Claude de Contrecoeur <Cyrano at beehive.twics.com> wrote:
:On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:03:38 GMT, lkh at mail.cei.net (Lee Kent
:>Alexander Easton <newc0101 at sable.ox.ac.uk> enunciated:
:>>> I wonder whether phenomena of quantum physics might have an effect at
:>>> the level of biological molecules and mechanisms such as in neurons.
:>>> I know that the Planck quantum is quite small and its direct effects
:>>> are basically only realized in the mikrokosmos, but there might be for
:>>> example long-term effects, however, in an indirect manner.
:>>> It would then be interesting to speculate about effects on
:>>> thinking, free will, conscious and so on, but also on the evolution
:>>> of the brain itself.
:>>> Can anyone provide me with information on this branch?
:All this grotesque quantum discussion on consciousness by Penrose,etc,
:has been taken seriously because Penrose is a well-known and good
:However,as far as consciousness is concerned Penrose is a complete
:IGNORANT and a primitive...and I advise him to have a look at :
:and then I advise him to do methodically what I have done for years
:and,AFTER THAT,I will be very happy to hear what Penrose has to say on
:>>Well....it looks like you are going down the line of conciousness as
:>>thought of by people like Roger Penrose ("Emporers New Mind" etc). Here
:>>he talks about phenomena of quantum physics at the level of the cell
:>>(especially in microtubules) as playing a role in conciousness. If you
:>>want to look at this arguement any more then look into books like those
:>>by Penrose, or there is also an account of quantal phenomena and their
:>>relation to conciousness in the book "Towards a Science of conciousness"
:>>which is a report on a conference in 1994. It goes into some detail, but
:>>if you are interested it is well worth a read.
:>>As to whether it plays as important a role as they claim...well, my mind
:>>is still not made up. I would question whether conciousness can be fully
:>>explained at this sort of level...I still beleive that there must be a
:>>much larger combination of effects that give rise to "conciousness" and
:>>believe that if events in microtubules underlay the whole process it
:>>would be only too easy to claim that nearly ALL organisms had
:>>conciousness...a highly questionable position.
:>A paper I have recently completed (Orch Or and Its Computationality)
:>is available at our company's web site papers page) argues that
:>Hameroff-Penrose are suggesting a protocol causes consciousness
:>without addressing the parts they are actually observing and studying.
:>There is much more too it but rather than posting the piece here I'll
:>stop at that.
:>available at http://www.aston.ac.uk/~batong/Neutronics/
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