Toward a Science of Consciousness 1998

Hermital hermital at livingston.net
Fri Apr 17 15:15:49 EST 1998


On Fri 4/17/98 15:18 -0400 Jim Hunter wrote:
> Hermital wrote:
>  > On Thu 4/16/98 20:13 -0400 Jim Hunter wrote:
>  > > cijadra at zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
>  > >  >
>  > >  > >           TOWARD A SCIENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS 1998
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Why make it a science?
>  > >  > So some idiots eventually mess around connecting a square
> kilmoeter
>  > > of
>  > >  > the right cells for that prupose with a ton of silicon chips?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > The conscious areas are sacred.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Not something to be messed with.
>  > >
>  > > - There's actually nothing sacred about matter. If matter is
>  > >   capable of becoming conscious, then people who are unfamiliar
>  > >   with the properties of matter should stay away.
>  > >
>  > > - If matter can't become conscious, then we shouldn't
>  > >   be talking.
>  > >
>
>  > The above statement is rather ambiguous.  If you are refering to the
>
> The word "conscious" is also rather ambiguous. The whole subject
> is ambiguous.
>
> Let's make the assumption that minds
> cannot be conscious in dead bodies.
>
> > physical brain as the center of human phenomenological consciousness and
> > the center of speech, that's fine.  But Descartes' Mind/Brain problem
> > concerning consciousness and matter is a bit more murky because
>
> Well, I consider Descartes' problem rather irrelevant
> to the 20th century. Let's assume that we all have
> minds and brains and let Descartes rest in peace.
>
>
> > consciousness, per se, has not been satisfactorily defined even all
> > these centuries and millennia of human activity later.  One huge
> > difficulty is that consciousness is still seen as a fortuitous
> > subjective phenomenon by most researchers.  Perhaps that is the wrong
>
> Yes, they would have to see it that way.
> One subjective conscious mind/body system
> per researcher is my motto.
>
> > approach.  Perhaps consciousness is a continuum or spectrum of physical
> > energy, just as electromagnetic radiation (EMR) is a continuum or
> > spectrum of physical energy.  And perhaps it is some portion of the
> > immanent, transcendent continuum of consciousness that becomes gross
> > matter through the mechanisms we know as physics.  See further
> > http://www.livingston.net/hermital/csenergy.htm.
> > Indeed, human phenomenological consciousness may arise in the mundane
> > scheme of things through the process outlined at
> > http://www.livingston.net/hermital/patterns.htm (among others).
> > --
> > Alan
> > Within the sub-light-speed spacetime continuum of our synergistic
> > material universe, higher order information produced in the
> > transcendent continuum of conscious energies devolves and directs
> > both the organization and the evolution of lower order aggregations
> > of energy called matter.
> > Consciousness, Physics and the Holographic Paradigm:
> > http://www.livingston.net/hermital/intro.htm
>
> Then again, perhaps not.
>
I am sorry.  I thought your first response to
<cijadra at zedat.fu-berlin.de> implied that you
wanted a serious discussion concerning the matter.
I apologize.  I won't make that mistake again.
--
Alan
Spontaneous self-organization is to the life sciences
as perpetual motion machines are to physics.
Consciousness, Physics and the Holographic Paradigm:
http://www.livingston.net/hermital/intro.htm




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