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A Cyborg Bill of Rights

Rick Harker aibrain at usa.net
Fri Jul 24 05:18:32 EST 1998


Malcolm MacLeod wrote:
> > Malcolm MacLeod & Others wrote:
> No, they didn't.  It wasn't a group effort.
I typed, "&" meaning "and", not "with"!

> I've snipped most of your comments, because they are based on
> your *complete* mis-understanding of what I wrote, or even
> the meaning of the statements I was responding to.
Well, thanks for snipping. It helps save time downloading the ngs.
I totally agree that I might have misunderstood what you posted.
I shall try to read your mind better in future posts.

> > Do you know this for a fact? Arthur, have you taken a test.
> Yes, I know it "for a fact".  If you had even the dimmest concept of
> what the _Turing test_ IS, you would have understood the joke.
Okay, now here I start to get angry and uncivilized...but I'm a nice guy
and there's not much we can do but have verbal bantering.
I Do Know what the Turing Test is. I have read everything I can find on
it. I have studied its ideas and its flaws.
I Did Not Know that you intended it as a joke. I *still* see no wording
that I would recognize as anything but sarcasm.

> Don't ask Arthur if he has "taken a test".
I will ask Arthur if I freakin' want to.

> You don't *take* the test. You *give* the test.
Semantics.

> Furthermore, it is not an  academic test with multiple choice answers.
Like, duh! [Rick emotes in valley girl accent].
Though it would be nice if it was...

> It is a *completely subjective* test, without any possibility of objective validation.
Now this belongs in the philosophy group. To me, nothing is objective.
Everything is subjective.

Uh...now what were we talking about...?

> Get it?  It's not a *real* test.  It's a philisophical concept.
Nope. Lost it. Arthur was posting ideas for cyborg rights and then
someone responded with some wisecracks about his ideas and then I
responded with some remarks about the level of intelligence showed by
people who put down other peoples work instead of helping and then you
started talking about a test that isn't a test that you can't take and
that it really doesn't exist. Then I got lost. Man, talk about run-on
sentences!

> You can't get a framed certificate proving you passed it.
Sure I can. Give me a few minutes and I'll make myself one. 
Maybe I'll frame it too.

> It is a logical contradiction for a human to *not* pass it.
So..."It is an illogical contradiction to pass it", right?

> But you didn't bother to look up "Turing Test", right?.
Look up? Uh, no. I didn't. I'll depend on my memory for now...

> But for those who do know what it is:
Ooh, I can't wait for the definition! My memory was getting hazy any
ways.

> Responding to this post has sharpened one or two thoughts:
Hey! Glad I could could help! I love people who *think*.

> If I wrote a program to show that software can pass the Turing
> Test, the best proof of the software would be to have the program
> posting and replying to Usenet messages.
Now this sounds suspiciously familiar....

> It would have flaws, of course.  Some of the sentences would not
> really make sense.
Unless...

> And the *replies* created by the program would not show a natural human response.
...you were a really good programmer.

> It would just post more of the same- slightly different wordings of the same generated gibberish.
Or, like the longley bot, not respond at all! (just kidding david!)

> Does this sound familiar?
Uh, yah. I just said it did.

> I can think of three posters in three
> different newsgroups that fit this pattern.  One of them is this
> "mentifex" identity.  Hmmm...
Hmmm...indeed. You know that one hand motion? You know, the one where
the hand is raised above the forehead and moved to the back of the head
with a *whoosh*ing sound? Like, maybe, the concept proposed is *way*
over your head...or bounced off your closed mind?

> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  That includes me.
Absolutely.

> For me, this "mentifex" poster doesn't pass the Turing Test.
I did have the impression the Turing Test was designed for AI robots,
not humans.

> I could be wrong.  It's not a crime to guess wrong.
I agree, you would not be human if you never made mistakes.

>      All I want for Xmas is a box of Smurfs and a mallet.
Hehe, lovely sig.

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