Neuro, AI, Robotics seminar Mon.27.jul.1998

Mentifex mentifex at scn.org
Mon Jul 27 09:13:23 EST 1998


Welcome, friend or foe, cyborg or humanorg, to the Mon 27 Jul 1998
session of the Neuro, AI, Robotics seminar on the worldwide Usenet.

In <35B82514.212A1620 at papyrus.mhri.edu.au> of 24 Jul 1998 from
http://www.mhri.edu.au the Mental Health Research Institute at
The University of Melbourne, our codiscussant Stephen Wood writes:

Mentifex/Arthur:
>> A deep concept is one or more ganged fibers holding a concept of
>> a phenomenon by virtue of holding all the associative tags which
>> define and record and remember that phenomenon.
Stephen Wood:   
> Hmm. Now you have to define ganged fibres, concept (still),
> phenomenon, and associative tags.
>  And I'm not too impressed by the definition of deep.
Mentifex/Arthur:
>>  Follow links from    
>> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/ to read the Nolarbeit Theory Journal,
>> which, although it is enshrined in some kind of monument to mad              
>> scientists at Carnegie Mellon University, is nevertheless the very
>> instrument by which the above-diagrammed Standard AI Mind Model arose.
Stephen Wood:
> People who live in glass houses...

Next on 25 Jul 1998 our distinguished Dr. F. Frank LeFever of the
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/6117/board.html New York
Neuropsychology Group in <6pbfnk$1lv at sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> writes:

> Does ANYBODY in the newsgroup besides Mentifex see ANY trace of
> Hubel & Wiesel in that stupid diagram?
              
> Even if it WERE based on this level of analysis, it would
> obviously have nothing to do with ANY of the terms in that
>"diagram" (maybe just a graphically elaborated LIST?), even
> the putatively "visual" terms, no matter how broadly interpreted.
>"Image percept engrams"??? "Visual memory"???  "Recognition"??
> How silly can you get and still stay out of the silly farm?
   
> Have you, at long last, sir, no shame??  [ Shades of Sen. McCarthy! ]

  The diagram in question:

  /^^^^^^^^^^^\ The Architecture of a Robot Brain /^^^^^^^^^^^\
 /visual memory\                    ________     /  auditory   \
|      /--------|-------\          / syntax \   |episodic memory|
|      |  recog-|nition |          \________/---|-------------\ |
|   ___|___     |       |              |        |    _______  | |
|  /image  \    |     __V___        ___V___     |   /stored \ | |
| / percept \   |    /deep  \------/lexical\----|--/ phonemes\| |
| \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/concepts \---|--\ of words/  |
|  \_______/    |   \________/    \_________/   |   \_______/   |

  The "ganged fibres" are simply redundant parallel nerve fibers
  holding a concept--which is in turn a collection of associative
  tags--which are neuronal fibers leading from the abstract con-
  ceptual fibers to the concrete engrams in the sensory channels.

  Concepts above are "deep" in the Chomskyan sense that they under-
  lie, at the profoundest level, the linguistic generation of ideas.
  When a thought forms as the dynamic interaction of the "deep" con-
  cepts, activity bubbles upwards through the "shallow" lexical
  concepts, where rigid structures of Chomskyan syntax fetch words
  and morphemes stored in auditory memory to create a new sentence.
  The auditory system then consciously hears itself think that idea.

  Dr. LeFever, sometimes History taps a man on the shoulder and he
  must choose to take advantage of that tide in the affairs of men
  which leads on to fortune.  Please consider such options as wear-
  ing to your meetings a nametag or button:  "Ask me about Mentifex."
  Be either the great debunker of Mentifex or the great Dr. LeFever.



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