Neural level influencing functional descriptions

Cijadrachon cijadra at zedat.fu-berlin.de
Tue Sep 22 20:52:42 EST 1998


flefever at ix.netcom.com(F. Frank LeFever) wrote:

>... I suggest that these nearby but different language
>circuits might be mutually inhibitory, making rapid sucession
>alternation difficult.
Heard a group of Egyptians changing between Arabic and English often
even without seeming to notice, often even within the same sentence.
Might also have to do with how com[patible the grammar is and what you
are used to?
>  (How simultaneous translaters manage it, I
>don't know!)
The input channels are not the island left out front (that you call
Broaca's ...) that has to do with the output.
Might have to do with that.

However altering to often between English and German I start to
seriously mess up the  grammar in both.


>In <6sn4qb$953 at omni.cc.purdue.edu> garyjaz at omni.cc.purdue.edu (Gary
>Jasdzewski) writes: 

>>Some people in the cognitive sciences, such as linguistics, 
Cognito = thinking?
Not sure of the language structurer does what I call thinking,
at least not in the way mine or the other sort of CPU in the brain do.

Not sure, but maybe I more I select a mode, like Hochdeutsch, Berlin
slight slang, Berlin deeper slang, German sounding English with a
tinge of British or American or other groups of English...
And when it babbles away I might sort of supervise a bit?


>argue that we should pay attention to research from the neurosciences so that our
>higher level descriptions of some behavior will be neurally plausible.
Behaviour like which? Do you mean what might change emotionally
changing from one language to the other? Or something else?

>  I think this is a good idea, and I'm searching for some good examples of it at
>>work from any field.  

...second language...

I might have mentioned it before.

There were two US-American sisters who had lived in Germany for two
years and then were 5 and 7 years old,
having spent most time together from what I understood.
The older made far less  grammar mistakes, but had a broad American
accent, opposite to the younger one who pronounced words like a German
here would.

...After a concussion I'd sometimes even mix English and German,
though rarely, and writing I could not keep style.
Before  I was able to distinguish quite well between slang ways and
formal language and exaggerated formal way.
Afterwards I'd  mix them at the most impossible spots without
intending to.

...Coming back from the USA after having lived there for some months
it happend to me that I'd pronounce German words like "Musik" or
"Japan" the English "syllable-stress" way.

...After the concussion I felt like having holes in the language
structurer and till this day if I don't watch it I still make rows of
mistakes and letter changes, though not leaving out entire words and
syllbles much anymore as in the start I did a lot, also in the start
many sentences did not make sense anymore.
A lot felt like learning new, but easier than really learning new.

Mistakes occured in English and German,
and were similar in both, did  mot have the feeling that it had much
to do with the language chosen, several areas of my brain simply felt
like swiss cheese with too many holes.

Practicing a lot within 4-6 months the worst I trained back, a little
more than a year later I had the impressions, though that might be
wrong, that a lot of the glia had repaired and that cabelling out
started to work again better, and then a lot receded fast.

Today when I am tired a lot of mistakes sneak back in.

And watching spelling is still stress in a way it was not before the
concussion, in places where there aren't people like Frank and  some
others, and where it is less important how I spell and more how I
write, I often write off without bothering how I spell stuff much,
and leave it to people to ask in case I really should fubar it too
much.

...I might be very wrong, but I had the fleeting suspicion that the
language structurer (Broca's whatever) might park vocabulary also
around it.
...I can talk without it, too, but  the only time I tried after
someone insisted, though I warned him that it was off-line due to some
drug-stuff, and that I had not forced it online yet, the contents of
several sentences came out at once, mostly nouns and verbs, grammar
adios.
As  I had predicted him the according person did not get what I said.
Also the mouth/tongue - control to do with talking felt weird, bit
like when being drunk. Guess the steering is usually run other ways.

Vocabulary was  far more limited.
Don't think I could have gotten up to "adjourn".
Guess "table" would have been there, though.
Sort of base words still being there, complicated, rarely used stuff
not.

...After the concussion, when I had scrambled a sentence real bad and
had gotten all the missing words and syllables back in, turned the 2-3
letter words and some word positions back around to the order of
letters they are supposed to have and maybe got sense back into the
sentence, 
I then sometimes realized that I had forgotten what the paragraph
before was about, while before the concussion I used to be able to
write 10-16  pages and have an idea what was in the, where the written
stuff was heading, neatly squeeze together the data in words I liked
into the sentences I was at....
But I guess that might have had more to do  with damaged storage
capacities of the lower frontal cortex  than with the language
structurer.
Also parallel processing got limited a lot.

...Once after the concussion I said something different and thought
about something to do with books (don't recall, believe I was seeking
something near soome book-stacks) and the word "book" out of context
went into the sentence I was speaking.
Similar stuff happened several times.

I guess that the language structurer works O.K. has a lot to do with
transforming the right thoughts into right words.



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