Fri Feb 12 13:54:48 EST 1999

>i am having these really horrible back pains, is it associated with herpes? i
>was diagnosed with herpes many years ago. i was just wondering if these
>pains have anything to do with it? they are so bad i can hardly walk.. my
>hurt as well. it feels like i pulled a muscle. nothing i take helps get rid
>the pain.. 

With herpes anything is possible.  The back and leg pains you are describing
are very typical for me during an outbreak.  In fact, as some people know on
this ng, I literally am paralyzed for approximately 24 - 48 hours of my attack.
 I cannot walk or drive a car for that period of time till the antivirals kick
in and start working.  Sometimes the pain is so strong I cry.  Forget sleeping
- it is relentless.  Unfortunately pain relievers don't even touch this kind of
pain - I know, I have tried them all - even the heavy duty darvons etc.  The
best advice I can give is when you have the start of an attack - start
antivirals as soon as you can.  It helps shorten the duration of pain and the
attack itself.  Also, I have lingering pain after it is over and it can last
for weeks before it is gone.  To be sure it is related to herpes - go and talk
to a STD specialist and tell him your concerns.  There is a possibility you
could be suffering from a pinched nerve in your back like sciatica for
instance.  Check it out and good luck to you.


In Brian Sandle <bsandle at> wrote:
: In John B. Fisher <john_b_fisher at> wrote:
: : Brian Sandle wrote:

: :> You should be using a threaded newsreader. Then each
: :> thread is like a little newsgroup. If you lose interest you
: :> don't have to read that thread.

: : I'ld be very surprised if Bear does not have a threaded newsreader.

: Then what is the reason it bothers Bear to have this connecting 
: sub-newsgroup? Is it that this thread is not just about some technique 
: sold by doctors?

: And I had an email from the chronic pain group saying the thread is not 
: wanted by a reader there.

: :> The reason this article is in all those groups is that it
: :> started in the pain & fibromyalgia groups,

: Stigmata1's pain ( started from dental work but
: it was different from mine in that it started straight away. It did move
: further over his body than Barry Kaplan had noted before, from dental
: work. So did mine. 

: I suppose I should have done more research on this but hoped to get some
: ideas back. Maybe the chronic pain group or bionet.neuroscience could send
: out some ideas on pain referral. What organ does it happen through? Is it
: the thalamus or what? 

:  had a followup
: :> to earlier material of mine which had received replies on
: :> bionet.neuroscience,

: About lidocaine and seizures, thanks. I don't think dentists come across 
: that much, but see the `siezure' thread. Maybe it can 
: happen if there is some brain injury or treatment which has weakened the 
: blood brain barrier. I have not posted to the epilepsy group. It may have 
: been  worth it to do so.

:  is on the sleep disorder group
: :> because it is asking whether people have considered
: :> sleep apnea as a cause for their pains,

: But that question seems intrusive to the sleep apnea group. But thanks 
: for your reply here.

:  and it of course
: :> is asking whether the dentists have thought of any
: :> connection to their work and sleep disorder - troubles
: :> occurring after a night or so. It is on the mult-sclerosis
: :> group since it arose after a radio program on MS
: :> following local anesthetic and it also hopes to clarify
: :> more about MS and locals.

: : Yes, sleep disorders do cause many symptoms, not the least of which are
: : neurological.  But the correlation between these symptoms are related to (a)
: : sleep deprivation and (b) reduced saturated oxygen in the blood ... along
: : with increased CO2 levels.  Sorry, that's the correlating factor.

: :>> and has not solicited any interest on the ASSD news group.
: :>
: :> Which I find disappointing. I was hoping that someone might
: :> go back through my articles and say, yes I have had shihn
: :> cramps from sleep apnea, or neck cramps or whatever. Or
: :> maybe ASSD will deny any pains or physical effects other
: :> than sleepiness from sleep apnea. Though the receptionist
: :> I spoke to at the local hospital here said it does have
: :> neurological effects. You might tell me how one knows if one
: :> has it if one sleeps alone. She said wives mainly report it
: :> to husbands.

: : Sigh!  You obviously think a sleep disorder such as sleep apnea is just
: : something that can get better with a little more sleep.  Sarcastic.  Yes.
: : But you clearly have not done the research prior to including this newsgroup
: : in your post.

: I learned a bit, but sometimes newsgroup posts bring up other points than 
: what is in the traditional line. Also rather than have one person 
: (myself) propound it is interesting to have others educating us all. I am 
: sure some persons have learned somewhat from your reply here.

: : Sleep apnea (obstructive or caused by the central nervous system) results in
: : a host of typical symptoms.  They tend to cluster around two primary areas.

: : Neurological

: : This cluster includes depression, extreme daytime sleepiness (which kills
: : due to auto and industrial accidents), sleep deprivation, hypnogenic
: : hallucenations, short term memory loss, irratibility, to name a few.

: Well MS is neurological. There is some Medline stuff on apnea and MS when 
: the breathing control centre gets involved.

: But I am interested more in whether MS could be worsened by sleep apnea. 
: Do any of the MS people have experience with sleep apnea testing? My 
: theory is to examine whether conditions which predispose to MS worsening 
: might be similar to ones which predispose to increased sleep apnea, for 
: some individuals. It may not be of significance. 

: : Cardiovascular

: : This second cluster includes hypertension, stroke, heart attacks,
: : potentially congestive heart failure (the research on this is in progress),
: : leg cramps, night sweats, just to name a few symptoms.

: I did not have hypertension but I thought of stroke, heart attack, and 
: had leg cramp, wanting explanation for the deames of certain nerve 
: branches, even motor trouble.

: : By noting this, I'm not denying the possibility there may be a connection in
: : a few individuals.  Just the vast majority of us have far more common
: : causes.

: That is a little unclear as to whether you mean most people have more 
: common causes than sleep apnea for those things, or whether you are 
: referring back to my possible causes for sleep apnea - dental work or 
: local anesthetics, or perhaps infections.

: Yes, the sales approach to medicine works with applying the treatment
: which works for the average. Trying to mop up if that doesn't help. 
: is where I am at with this thread. It is for some sort of minority of
: people. Maybe a few from the newsgroups I have posted to will be wondering
: if they might come into a subgroup who should be careful about local
: anesthetics, or about messing around with the sinuses.

: I included prepster's article from that point of view. Since Lidocaine in 
: the nasal passages can cause sleep apnea by spoiling the air movement 
: sense, can operations? prepster wanted comments about UPPP. I do not know 
: what that is, but if it has a low success rate could that be the reason?

: : Regards,
: : =jbf=

: : John B. Fisher

: Thanks, John.

: Have had no repsonse from fibromyalgia group. Any knowledge of sleep 
: apnea there?

: Brian Sandle

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