Pains


Fri Feb 12 13:54:48 EST 1999


>i am having these really horrible back pains, is it associated with herpes? i
>was diagnosed with herpes many years ago. i was just wondering if these
>severe
>pains have anything to do with it? they are so bad i can hardly walk.. my
>legs
>hurt as well. it feels like i pulled a muscle. nothing i take helps get rid
>of
>the pain.. 
>
>
>
Hi,

With herpes anything is possible.  The back and leg pains you are describing
are very typical for me during an outbreak.  In fact, as some people know on
this ng, I literally am paralyzed for approximately 24 - 48 hours of my attack.
 I cannot walk or drive a car for that period of time till the antivirals kick
in and start working.  Sometimes the pain is so strong I cry.  Forget sleeping
- it is relentless.  Unfortunately pain relievers don't even touch this kind of
pain - I know, I have tried them all - even the heavy duty darvons etc.  The
best advice I can give is when you have the start of an attack - start
antivirals as soon as you can.  It helps shorten the duration of pain and the
attack itself.  Also, I have lingering pain after it is over and it can last
for weeks before it is gone.  To be sure it is related to herpes - go and talk
to a STD specialist and tell him your concerns.  There is a possibility you
could be suffering from a pinched nerve in your back like sciatica for
instance.  Check it out and good luck to you.

Deb


In sci.med.dentistry Brian Sandle <bsandle at southern.co.nz> wrote:
: In sci.med.dentistry John B. Fisher <john_b_fisher at bellsouth.net> wrote:
: : Brian Sandle wrote:

: :> You should be using a threaded newsreader. Then each
: :> thread is like a little newsgroup. If you lose interest you
: :> don't have to read that thread.

: : I'ld be very surprised if Bear does not have a threaded newsreader.

: Then what is the reason it bothers Bear to have this connecting 
: sub-newsgroup? Is it that this thread is not just about some technique 
: sold by doctors?

: And I had an email from the chronic pain group saying the thread is not 
: wanted by a reader there.


: :> The reason this article is in all those groups is that it
: :> started in the pain & fibromyalgia groups,

: Stigmata1's pain (alt.support.chronic-pain) started from dental work but
: it was different from mine in that it started straight away. It did move
: further over his body than Barry Kaplan had noted before, from dental
: work. So did mine. 

: I suppose I should have done more research on this but hoped to get some
: ideas back. Maybe the chronic pain group or bionet.neuroscience could send
: out some ideas on pain referral. What organ does it happen through? Is it
: the thalamus or what? 


:  had a followup
: :> to earlier material of mine which had received replies on
: :> bionet.neuroscience,

: About lidocaine and seizures, thanks. I don't think dentists come across 
: that much, but see the sci.med.dentistry `siezure' thread. Maybe it can 
: happen if there is some brain injury or treatment which has weakened the 
: blood brain barrier. I have not posted to the epilepsy group. It may have 
: been  worth it to do so.

:  is on the sleep disorder group
: :> because it is asking whether people have considered
: :> sleep apnea as a cause for their pains,

: But that question seems intrusive to the sleep apnea group. But thanks 
: for your reply here.

:  and it of course
: :> is asking whether the dentists have thought of any
: :> connection to their work and sleep disorder - troubles
: :> occurring after a night or so. It is on the mult-sclerosis
: :> group since it arose after a radio program on MS
: :> following local anesthetic and it also hopes to clarify
: :> more about MS and locals.

: : Yes, sleep disorders do cause many symptoms, not the least of which are
: : neurological.  But the correlation between these symptoms are related to (a)
: : sleep deprivation and (b) reduced saturated oxygen in the blood ... along
: : with increased CO2 levels.  Sorry, that's the correlating factor.

: :>> and has not solicited any interest on the ASSD news group.
: :>
: :> Which I find disappointing. I was hoping that someone might
: :> go back through my articles and say, yes I have had shihn
: :> cramps from sleep apnea, or neck cramps or whatever. Or
: :> maybe ASSD will deny any pains or physical effects other
: :> than sleepiness from sleep apnea. Though the receptionist
: :> I spoke to at the local hospital here said it does have
: :> neurological effects. You might tell me how one knows if one
: :> has it if one sleeps alone. She said wives mainly report it
: :> to husbands.

: : Sigh!  You obviously think a sleep disorder such as sleep apnea is just
: : something that can get better with a little more sleep.  Sarcastic.  Yes.
: : But you clearly have not done the research prior to including this newsgroup
: : in your post.

: I learned a bit, but sometimes newsgroup posts bring up other points than 
: what is in the traditional line. Also rather than have one person 
: (myself) propound it is interesting to have others educating us all. I am 
: sure some sci.med.dental persons have learned somewhat from your reply here.

: : Sleep apnea (obstructive or caused by the central nervous system) results in
: : a host of typical symptoms.  They tend to cluster around two primary areas.

: : Neurological

: : This cluster includes depression, extreme daytime sleepiness (which kills
: : due to auto and industrial accidents), sleep deprivation, hypnogenic
: : hallucenations, short term memory loss, irratibility, to name a few.

: Well MS is neurological. There is some Medline stuff on apnea and MS when 
: the breathing control centre gets involved.

: But I am interested more in whether MS could be worsened by sleep apnea. 
: Do any of the MS people have experience with sleep apnea testing? My 
: theory is to examine whether conditions which predispose to MS worsening 
: might be similar to ones which predispose to increased sleep apnea, for 
: some individuals. It may not be of significance. 

: : Cardiovascular

: : This second cluster includes hypertension, stroke, heart attacks,
: : potentially congestive heart failure (the research on this is in progress),
: : leg cramps, night sweats, just to name a few symptoms.

: I did not have hypertension but I thought of stroke, heart attack, and 
: had leg cramp, wanting explanation for the deames of certain nerve 
: branches, even motor trouble.

: : By noting this, I'm not denying the possibility there may be a connection in
: : a few individuals.  Just the vast majority of us have far more common
: : causes.

: That is a little unclear as to whether you mean most people have more 
: common causes than sleep apnea for those things, or whether you are 
: referring back to my possible causes for sleep apnea - dental work or 
: local anesthetics, or perhaps infections.

: Yes, the sales approach to medicine works with applying the treatment
: which works for the average. Trying to mop up if that doesn't help. 
: is where I am at with this thread. It is for some sort of minority of
: people. Maybe a few from the newsgroups I have posted to will be wondering
: if they might come into a subgroup who should be careful about local
: anesthetics, or about messing around with the sinuses.

: I included prepster's article from that point of view. Since Lidocaine in 
: the nasal passages can cause sleep apnea by spoiling the air movement 
: sense, can operations? prepster wanted comments about UPPP. I do not know 
: what that is, but if it has a low success rate could that be the reason?

: : Regards,
: : =jbf=

: : John B. Fisher

: Thanks, John.

: Have had no repsonse from fibromyalgia group. Any knowledge of sleep 
: apnea there?

: Brian Sandle





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