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Mon Feb 15 00:50:52 EST 1999


Thats easy one, hardware is useless without software and software cant
run without hardware.

lesterzick at earthlink.net wrote:
> 
> Three questions:
> 
> Does the brain think or does the mind?
> 
> Can the brain think without a mind?
> 
> Does the hardware run the software or does the software run the hardware?
> 
> Regards - Lester
> 
> In article <36c43eb1.0 at ns2.wsg.net>,
>   "Ray Scanlon" <rscanlon at wsg.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Joe Kilner wrote in message <79qo6a$t6r$1 at pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
> >
> > >Firstly - why eschew anthropocentrism?  We are the only animals that show
> > >definite signs of conciousness.
> >
> > I like to feel that I'm a little more broadminded than that. My dog claims
> > he is conscious, I tend to agree.
> >
> > >In my view the mind does not sit on top and watch the brain processing
> > >data - the mind _is_ the process itself, or at least part of it.  This is
> > >why I don't think you can have a full understanding of the brain without
> > >understanding the mind
> >
> > >But we can never _understand_ how our brains work without accounting for
> > >conciousness because conciousness is the only internal experience we have
> > >of
> > >brain function
> >
> > There's the rub, why are so many hung up on their internal experience of the
> > brain? I believe it is because it is all they have. Neuroscience is not part
> > of the common knowledge of all people who feel driven to speak of that which
> > thinks. Knowing nothing of the brain, they shift the subject to the soul
> > (mind).
> >
> > Rather then starting out with the soul (mind), let us leave that for last.
> > "How does the brain come to think?", that is our question. When we have that
> > in hand we may turn to religion and discuss the soul (mind).
> >
> > Eschew anthropocentrism, forget "only man is self aware", "only man has
> > language". These are the opening moves of one who wishes to talk about the
> > soul (mind) rather than the brain. The soul (mind) has been talked to death.
> > The thread is machine BRAINS, not machine souls, not machine minds, not
> > machine self-awareness. Leave the soul (mind) to religion.
> >
> > I ask three questions:
> >
> > 1. How does the brain work as a meat machine?
> >
> > 2. How should we emulate the brain using neuromimes?
> >
> > 3. How should we simulate the construction of neuromimes with a computer?
> >
> > Note that she soul (mind) is not involved and should not be allowed to enter
> > and confuse.
> >
> > On the first question, I see three sub-headings:
> >
> > 1a. How does the brain learn, how do the neurons alter their response to
> > afferent signal energy in light of past experience.
> >
> > 1b. How does the brain come to interpolate additional synaptic events before
> > producing motor output (think).
> >
> > 1c. How does the brain cease this interpolation and proceed to motor output
> > (decide).
> >
> > These are questions of neural activity and my own first, tentative essay is
> > found at www.wsg.net/~rscanlon/brain.html  I would be happy if anyone would
> > tear into the six hypotheses presented and straighten out my thinking.
> > Seriously.
> >
> > On the second question:
> >
> > This involves all the questions as to whether we may think of the neuron as
> > an electrochemical device. We know that the neuron is an assortment of
> > molecules and that many of the molecular interactions can be characterized.
> > (See The Neuron, Levitan and Kaczmarek.) But may we lump this myriad into a
> > unit?
> >
> > On the third question:
> >
> > This involves the programming of simulation and is a major field in itself.
> >
> > ---  ---
> >
> > Why don't we forget the soul (mind) for a while and concentrate on the
> > brain. Let us talk about neurons rather than "how I decided to turn on the
> > TV".
> >
> > Ray
> > Those interested in how the brain works might look at
> > www.wsg.net/~rscanlon/brain.html
> >
> >
> 
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