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Bloxy's Bloxy's at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 19 22:03:46 EST 1999


In article <36dcac1b.36912317 at news.demon.co.uk>, malcolm at pigsty.demon.co.uk (Malcolm McMahon) wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:24:09 -0500, Michael Edelman <mje at mich.com>
>wrote:

>>Malcolm McMahon wrote:

>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:01:32 GMT, Bloxy's at hotmail.com (Bloxy's) wrote:

>>> >> Self-awareness is the heart of conciousness.

>>> >Yes. That is the central point.
>>> >Without awareness there is no possibility of intelligence
>>> >whatsoever.

>>> Oh, I can't agree with that. Inteligent behaviour is no more than
>>> reacting in a complex way to complex stimulae. It doesn't require any
>>> kind of conscious awareness, it can be simply rule based. An inference
>>> engine responds inteligently but I doubt many of us would use the word
>>> "aware".

>> ..because it's not, and it doesn't respond "intelligently" except in a
>>very limited way. Yet each of us have the phenomenological experience of
>>self awareness. The hands in front of me are "my" hands, and have a very
>>privileged place in my perceptual space. Similarly for my entire body, and
>>my mind, my memories and my feelings.

>Indeed. But what makes you think that's a result of intelligence?

Ok, fine argument.
What do YOU think it is a result of?
Stupidity?
Randomness?
Inevitability?
Rat race of survival?
"Its a jungle out there", you know.

So you think this world is not an utter, unending
and unlimited intelligence?

What is it then?
And where did you get that idea?



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