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Thinking without language?

Alan Roth alan42 at mindspring.com
Sun Nov 21 14:06:41 EST 1999


Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~} <sdlee at faith.csis.hku.hk> wrote in message
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> >>>>> "Alan" == Alan Roth <alan42 at mindspring.com> writes:
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>
>     Alan> I find rote memorization useless for most of what I have
>     Alan> done professionally (as a computer programmer). If I were a
>     Alan> Shakespearean actor I would memorize plays--I am not one.
>
> As a  programmer, you've already  memorized many things.   You're just
> not aware of it.  Whatever  language you're programming (C? C++? Java?
> Perl? AWK? Lisp? Scheme?  Prolog?  Assembly? Basic? Pascal?), you need
> to memorize its grammatical rules as well as vocabulary (i.e. reserved
> words  or key  words).  Even  the simpliest  general  purpose computer
> language  have dozens  of  grammatical rules  and  dozens of  reserved
> words/symbols.  Moreover,  solely the grammar is  not sufficient.  You
> still need to  memorize the semantics of a  large amount of API/system
> library calls.   As a professional  programmer, you should be  able to
> recall no less  than 100 such API functions without  going back to the
> manuals, can't you?
My point is comparable to test-taking examples. In thermodynamics in
college there was one basic formula that every other formula could be
derived from, with a little calculus. Instead of memorizing 8 or 10
formulae, I used calculus. I got lower grades than I might have, but I
had less to stuff into my limited memory.
    This is, in itself, an issue--memory is not infinite and it seems
that we get too easily embroiled in detail if we always memorize detail.
Actually, I am trying to change professions because it is unseemly for
someone who is over 50 to be involved in technical details all of the
time. Judgment requires a broader scope to play itself out.
>
>
>     Alan> So what is the point? I still find it
>     Alan> surprising (and admirable) that someone would take on the
>     Alan> task of memorizing pi, but I am not inclined to do it
>     Alan> myself.
>
> There are at least  a few guys who claim that they  have recited pi up
> to 1000+  decimal places.  Quite many  people have memorized  pi up to
> 100+ decimal places.  I don't  think this has any practical use.  It's
> just personal interest.
>
>
>     Alan> Is this a character flaw?
>
> I don't think so.  You don't have to do everything that you're capable
> of.   However, failing  to  notice your  abilities  and potentials  is
> certainly a weakness.
I hate to disappoint, but I have never found that my self-development is
something for public scrutiny. I have gone off in my own directions,
gained much, but would hate to have to explain why and how to another
who was not similarly attuned.
Alan

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