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science = determinism?

Frank Buckler fb at m2.ifb.uni-hannover.de
Thu Nov 25 05:18:20 EST 1999

One sientict can for sure think that one part of the wourld is "spiritual"
(what ever that is). But in the field he search he make the assumtion that
ist is worth to search (= it is some kind of deterministic)
    Its a toutologic statment, isnt it!

Both assumtion of a)"spiritality" and b)"determination" are apriori equali
true. But the a) blocks the scientific progression in that spicific field.

But I dont wanted to discuss about religion. It has no chance for solutions.

frank Buckler

Tim Dixon <tdixon.no at spam.fwi.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
383bf618.51478031 at
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:15:19 -0800, Will Dwinnell
> <predictor at compuserve.com> wrote:
> >Frank Buckler wrote:
> >"All science have to make the asumtion thats its object is
> >deterministic. If e.g. psychology does not, it leave the scientific path
> >and enters religion."
> >
> >I (Will Dwinnell) wrote:
> >"Science is the study of reality.  If reality is found to contain some
> >random component, then shouldn't the above assumption be labeled dogma
> >and the insistence on that assumption be 'religious'?"
> >
> >Frank Buckler responded:
> >"Science tries to explain reality. The word "explain" contain the
> >assumtion that there are some kind of determinism. The expierence of
> >random, das not mean that there is no determinism. It only says that we
> >can not explain it (till now)."
> >
> >My point is that this belief that there is no randomness in reality is
> >an assumption.
> >
> It is also an assumption that reality doesn't include a religious or
> spiritual component.  I find it curious that athiests complain about
> scripture because it presumes the existence of God, and then presume
> the lack of existence on the grounds that proof is not available one
> way or the other.
> Great scientists throughout history (from Aristotle to Keplar and
> Newton) had generally assumed that the world includes a spiritual,
> non-physical component and that no study of reality is complete
> without at least considering that possibility.

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