Thinking without language?

kenneth Collins kpaulc at
Tue Nov 30 04:38:40 EST 1999

hi, Seth. i disagree because unless one's in sight of a goal, almost
everything one does seems 'worthless' with respect to 'survival'. so if
one goes by the criterion you suggest, one will never get anywhere very
far from where one already is... which explains a lot with respect to
common business practice :-)


Seth Russell wrote:

> Patrik Bagge wrote:
> > What i'm getting at here is that everything & everybody is at sale
> > , it's about specifying the desire and 'bying' the solution
> Actually i think that simple concept could be the seed of a new
> AI paradigm.  Survival is what drives progress (even in AI) - or
> to put it another way around: if it doesn't survive, then it's not
> progress.  And one of the primary mechanism (strategies) of
> survival is the commerce between an agent and its environment.
> Specifying desires and buying solutions is commerce.  So perhaps
> we can make progress with AI, by applying that mechanism.  The
> ecology of a flourishing system of commerce is exactly the ecology
> that an artificial mind needs to generate answers to problems that
> have no known pre programmed solutions.
> Seth Russell
> Logic is great, survival is better.
> http://RobustAi.Net/Ai/conjecture.htm

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