Antipsychiatry, Bioethics & Neuroscience

MS marshmallow5 at
Sun Aug 6 18:40:23 EST 2000

I don't think it was misinterpreted, but just in case... the "man keeping us
down comment was tongue in cheek." Psychiatric medicines, for all their
shortcomings, have alleviated unmeasurable suffering especially when used


sisial <sisial at> wrote in message
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> Damn! I did it again.  I apologize for sending this by e-mail.
> ***********************************
> "Nick Medford" <nick at> wrote:
> > Figures I have seen, and my own experience, do not support this
> > It is certainly true in some cases. However many people who are
> > very against taking these drugs have a profound shift of attitude once
> they
> > find that the drugs help, if only to some extent.
> Designer drugs have been around a long time.  If you're going to do them,
> the least you can do is do so in consultation with a professional. :)
> Sometimes, there are situations where drugs are the only real alternative.
> I mean, I generally avoid use of chemical therapies, but I have no problem
> admitting that there are occasions when it becomes necessary.  The real
> problem is when the use of designer drugs becomes the norm, and pressures
> and coercion are applied on people to take them.
> Pressure and coercion; these have become the rule, not the exception.  I
> have frequently been denied access to resources I need to reintegrate with
> society because it is said that I am not taking meds.  Rules are written
> which state that clients must be compliant with medications if they are to
> receive services.
> This rule is used even in situations where the psychiatrist has declined
> recommend medications.
> I went to my psychiatrists shortly after moving here, as the result of
> several coercive tactics used by my case workers.  After going through the
> diagnostic process and reviewing my record, the psychiatrist had inquired
> regarding my concerns.  After a long frank discussion, he said that I
> obviously well aware of my own behavior patterns, and that I seemed to do
> well at coping.  He also said that my concerns seemed warranted given
> current medical understanding.  He declined to recommend medications, but
> stated that he would be willing to act as my medical consultant, and would
> probably have no problem  recommending medications at any time that I felt
> them to be necessary.  I expressed my concerns about the med compliance
> thing, and told him I was concerned I would be further denied services if
> wasn't taking medications.  He suggested that this was likely not the
> something I was willing to accept.
> If the psychiatrists felt it was not necessary to recommend medications,
> then medication was a non-issue.  However, my case workers continued to be
> almost obsessive in their focus on medication.  I explained time and again
> that I would only consider medication if it was recommended by the
> psychiatrist.  Their response is that he has said he would recommend
> medications if I felt they were necessary, so I should tell him I feel
> are necessary.
> Eventually, I felt pressured into violating my own sense of integrity and
> tried to convince the psychiatrist that I felt I needed the medications.
> was not convinced.  We discussed the problem and he explained that I am
> more self-aware than most clients (indeed most people), and also that many
> case managers have developed fears regarding clients who are not on
> medications.  I decided to try discussing this with my case manager, but
> things quickly worsened.  Eventually it reached point that nothing else
> could be discussed except medication compliance.  I finally decided I
> be better of looking for other channels to obtain the resources I need.
> And, even my rehab case was closed with the comment that they were unable
> provide services because I was too "idiosyncratic" and "intrinsically
> motivated".
> *******************************
> BTW, I was frequently told things along the line of "many people who are
> initially very against taking these drugs have a profound shift of
> once they find that the drugs help"
> Note, I'm not saying it was your intent to coerce, only that the words you
> use are often quoted in efforts to coerce.  I have no doubt of the
> of the statement; the same could be said for people taking a wide range of
> hallucinogens, stimulants, sedatives-depressants, and analgesics for
> recreational purposes.
> Hell, I spent most of my teenage years drunk.  I had even convinced myself
> that it was helping.  Oh, I knew it wasn't.  Damn, it didn't even feel
> to be drunk.  I hated it.  However, it is easy to lie to yourself,
> especially when you have people constantly telling you how much it is
> helping.  I've said before, in the case of major depressive disorders,
> people suffering from depression are very susceptible to suggestion.  And
> many people are quite adept at manipulating this to their advantage.
> I believe mental health clients should be obligated to make informed
> decisions; and people in the psychiatric profession should be obligated to
> only provide factual information to their clients.  Of course, I admit to
> being an idealist.
> *****************************
> In regards to the ethical issues of designer drugs, I have none.  I would
> rather see people going to a medical professional for them, than
> themselves.  However, it does concern me that designer drugs are becoming
> the norm for establishing social conformity.  My own social theories
> that society must remain dynamic in order to adapt to changing
> circumstances.
> It's really too bad society can't be diagnosed and treated like
> My lay opinion is that society suffers something along the lines of a
> schizophrenic complex with paranoid tendencies; and that it is a danger to
> both itself and to those around it and should probably be committed. :)
> *****************************
> Well, sorry for rambling.  Just needed to blow steam.  It's amazing how
> relatively simple sentence can trigger such an emotional response.

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