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A challenge for Ken...Re: AoK...Re: Science in the News

kenneth Collins kpaulc at earthlink.net
Thu Jan 27 14:20:34 EST 2000

Prediction: you are just another Jackass who thinks he can 'manipulate' me to his ends.

Prediction: sooner or later, you'll 'go away' without having any success.

K. P. collins

Austin P. So (Hae-Jin) wrote:

> Oh, I think that I'm pretty competent on the neuroscience, Ken...and
> unlike you I actually know the biochemistry and the gene
> regulation processes fairly well...Sometimes I forget the
> electrophysiology, but I'll admit
> it...eventually...
> In fact Ken, I was probably among the first people to get a copy of your
> AoK. It's too bad
> too, because although you may have taken an interesting take on things,
> you write like crap,
> and it is an effort to sift through the piles of shite to figure out
> what you are
> trying to say. In fact, the one thing that annoyed me the most and if I
> remember correctly, is that I think you devoted one paragraph (10
> lines?) to
> write down your "equation of state", and used the rest of your AoK to
> demonstrate its
> validity describing any and every system you could think of. Of course,
> you seem to ignore that very general statements can be supported by
> anything, whether that statement is verbal or mathematic. So you throw
> in terms like "neurodynamics" or "activation topologies" to give
> credence to your work. These could be in fact true, but until you
> describe an equation for a specific situtation that maps out the
> topology for that situation, rather than just verbally saying so, you
> will just be considered a hack.
> But like I said...you don't make predictions...you find a result that
> can fit your
> model, and then proceed to ramble on ad infinitum about how the
> scientific world is
> out to "crucify" you. Use your model to predict something
> quantitatively, or something
> that would not be expected from based on scientific knowledge to date.
> Your
> neuron-glia stuff was predicted in the epilepsy field almost 40 years
> ago...look under
> the term "ephaptic". It was clearly demonstrated experimentally to be
> the case within
> the past 4 years. Your "prediction" that people with Alzheimer's should
> keep mentally
> active...not new at all...your delving into behavioural
> psychology...your
> "conclusions" based on AoK are *obvious*. As I said also, it shares a
> lot of elements
> akin to taoism, and is therefore ancient. All you've done is write down
> yin-yang in a
> very general equation. So what? Is that supposed to be a "breakthrough"?
> In fact, when it comes to aging, you are just grabbing at straws...that
> is quite obvious...
> My challenge: use AoK to explain the onset and progression of
> Huntington's disease.
> What does AoK predict as the causative factor(s)? Where do you think
> intervention can
> be introduced? Or do it for Lou Gehrigs disease (ALS). I don't really
> care...so long
> as AoK can actually provide solid predictions on what elements are
> critical and what
> elements are spurious (if there is such a thing).
> If you can tell me this based on AoK and provide a model, then you will
> be listened. No one has been able to provide a good model yet for either
> yet, so the field is
> open for you to clear a swath of enlightenment.
> kenneth Collins wrote:
> > forgive me, please, but if you knew the Neuroscience, and if you'd actually
> > followed the long-term discussion (as is documented in the archives i keep), you'd
> > understand that things've been contrary to what you've posted, quoted below.
> >
> > i can't repeat everything in every post.
> You seem to do that quite naturally, Ken...in fact this newsgroup is
> filled with your
> unique at repeating yourself at every turn....
> --
> ---
> Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> I.I.S.G.P.
> Biotechnology Laboratory
> University of British Columbia
> E-mail: haejin at netinfo.ubc.ca
> http://www.interchange.ubc.ca/haejin/index.html (under construction)

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