evolutionary significance of emotions !!
johnhkm at netsprintXXXX.net.au
Tue Mar 7 05:38:08 EST 2000
I did not say that all creativity arises out of depression and the fact that
your depression vanished means I wouldn't classify you as a depressive in
the chronic sense, whereas most creatively depressed people do suffer it in
the chronic sense.
Alienation will cause depression, being a freak I can assure you of that.
By the way, I like Sci-Fi and fantasy, how about a title?
Etaoin Shrdlu <cooper17.spamless at xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:8a11p4$9d8$2 at news1.xs4all.nl...
> In response to the below: as a writer, painter, illustrator, and sculptor
> myself, with a high relative IQ and depression problems until I met my
> husband, I would like to say that I do not feel that my creativity is a
> result of or a cause of the depression; rather, the depression (strong,
> chronic, and nearly crippling when I was an adolescent) seems to have come
> from having to live in a world in which only a very, very few people were
> all on my wavelength or appreciated my talents as more than a handy way to
> eventually make money. I was always surrounded by people who asked why I
> wouldn't just do the art other people liked, why I wrote about "weird
> stuff", why I wasn't able to sink myself into the rote-learning,
> find-a-job-in-a-bank culture I was expected to fit into. Even people who
> truly appreciated my art _artistically_ couldn't understand it as a
> couldn't understand why I can't "give it up for a good job", and so tended
> to treat me as frivolous, obsessed. When I explained that I would rather
> deaf than forget how to draw, people thought I was mad. It seems to me
> likely that every exceptionally talented creative person of high
> intelligence throughout history would have had to go through something
> this, often under much heavier restrictions/opprobrium than I had to face
> (and, true, often under less; I live in the Netherlands now, and had I
> up here, these things would have been nurtured... but I still wouldn't
> had a large social group or been understood by a great many people). Why
> shouldn't this group show a statistical tendency to depression? You try
> going home to tell your parents you're going to be a science fiction
> > > Where on earth did you get this gem from? Depression results in
> > not
> > > getting enjoyment out of life, not feeling motivated to do things they
> > > normally would, sleeping differently to normal (more or less) and
> > > of suicide. At no point in DSM does it say that depressed people are
> > > likely to write a symphony!
> > Did the people writing the DSM ever bother to look? Psychology amazes me
> > that so many always assume a pathology is irrevocably and globally
> > to cognitive functions as a whole. Think of idiot savants. What is the
> > A bible or something? Please, that's scholasticism to the core.
> > There are studies indicating that writers as a group are inclined
> > dysthmia\depression and I've read enough biographies to know that
> > is going on there. When Tschaikovsky wrote his 6th, his best and a
> > monumental piece, he was on a train and tears flooded out of him while
> > writing it. The 6th is mostly very sad (only 3rd movement rips along). I
> > prefer his Serenade for Strings and Italian Capricanno (spelling!) He
> > depressed quite a bit, long story ... .
> > Other side: Ludwig Boltzmann, great 19th century physicist, committed
> > suicide mid 50's - probably mild manic depressive. Mathematicians,
> > bunch, obsessive-compulsive leanings? Go ask Godel, brilliant but kooky.
> > Paul Erdos, brilliant mathematician, spent last 15-20 years using
> > amphetamines, once quoted as saying Coffee + human beings = mathematics.
> > Sound healthy? Is that in the DSM?
> > Yes, sws is changed during depression, may be related to phase changes
> > cortisol
> > levels during sleep. There is no "ideal" brain state for optimal
> > functionality. The great Irish mathematician Hamilton died of alcoholism
> > malnutrition in his early 40's and was doing great work until bango
> > You won't find that in the DSM.
> > John.
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > I was referring to seasonal affective disorder, a condition more
> > frequent
> > > > (?) in North European climates. The inescapable electric shock
> > > demonstrates
> > > > my point. In the face of danger that cannot be challenged, the best
> > > survival
> > > > is to hide.
> > >
> > > What has this got to do with helplessness? When a rat is given
> > > uncontrollable electric shocks, it cannot subsequently learn to make
> > > action which will reduce the probability of a shock. In what way is
> > > adaptive? Strangely enough, theres more seasonal effective disorder
> > > there is less sunlight in the winter months - hence Northern European
> > (don't
> > > know the stats for Canada - I presume they have the same problem?)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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