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Kalman Rubinson kr4 at nyu.edu
Wed Dec 25 20:53:28 EST 2002

Good evidence why we need a real neuroscience newsgroup.


On 25 Dec 2002 17:49:38 -0800, rmforall at att.net (Rich Murray) wrote:

>Dec 25 2002   I welcome a venue for responsible, civil evidence-based
>discussion of toxicity issues.  Rich Murray
>aspartame: methanol, formaldehyde, formic acid toxicity:
>brief review: Murray 12.25.2 rmforall
>Rich Murray, MA    Room For All    rmforall at att.net
>1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 USA   505-986-9103
>for 929 posts in a public searchable archive
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/862    long review
>formaldehyde & formic acid from methanol in aspartame:
>Murray: 12.9.2 rmforall 
>It is certain that high levels of aspartame use, above 2 liters daily
>for months and years, must lead to chronic formaldehyde-formic acid
>toxicity, since 11% of aspartame (1,120 mg in 2L diet soda, 5.6 12-oz
>cans) is 123 mg methanol (wood alcohol), immediately released into the
>body after drinking (unlike the large levels of methanol locked up in
>molecules inside many fruits), then quickly transformed into
>formaldehyde, which in turn becomes formic acid, both of which in
>time become carbon dioxide and water-- however, about 30% of the
>methanol remains in the body as cumulative durable toxic metabolites
>formaldehyde and formic acid-- 37 mg daily, a gram every month.
>If 10% of the methanol is retained as formaldehyde, that would give 12
>mg daily formaldehyde accumulation, about 60 times more than the 0.2
>from 10% retention of the 2 mg EPA daily limit for formaldehyde in
>drinking water. 
>Bear in mind that the EPA limit for formaldehyde in
>drinking water is 1 ppm,
>or 2 mg daily for a typical daily consumption of 2 L of water.
>RTM: ATSDR: EPA limit 1 ppm formaldehyde in drinking water July 1999
>5.30.2 rmforall
>This long-term low-level chronic toxic exposure leads to typical
>patterns of increasingly severe complex symptoms, starting with
>headache, fatigue, joint pain, irritability, memory loss, and leading
>vision and eye problems and even seizures. In many cases there is
>addiction.  Probably there are immune system disorders, with a
>hypersensitivity to these toxins and other chemicals.
>Confirming evidence and a general theory are given by Pall (2002):
>testable theory of MCS type diseases, vicious cycle of nitric oxide &
>peroxynitrite: MSG: formaldehyde-methanol-aspartame:
>Martin L. Pall: Murray: 12.9.2 rmforall
>formaldehyde toxicity:  Thrasher & Kilburn: Shaham: EPA: Gold: Murray:
>Wilson: CIIN: 12.12.2 rmforall
>"Philippe Coulon" <coulon-remove- at uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote in message news:<atv136$2te$1 at poseidon.uni-duesseldorf.de>...
>> Hello NG!
>> Since bionet.neuroscience seems overcrowded with non-scientific discussions
>> I have been thinking of introducing a new neuroscience newsgroup that is
>> limited to scientific exchange. Please mail me if you are interested. If I
>> receive enough e-mails, I will forward the list to news.announce.newsgroups
>> where it will be open for discussion whether or not to create this NG. If
>> you are interested please mail to:
>> neuroscience at biochemtech.de .
>> --?
>>  Philippe Coulon

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