brain sizes: Einstein's and women's

Shadow Dancer insomniac at winterslight.org
Fri Jul 12 22:51:22 EST 2002


"Parse Tree" <parsetree at hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Shadow Dancer" <insomniac at winterslight.org> wrote in message
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> > "John Knight" <johnknight at usa.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Shadow Dancer" <insomniac at winterslight.org> wrote in message
> > > news:agm2br$mukqa$1 at ID-150265.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > Here are some I just dug up:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.brainplace.com/bp/malefemaledif/default.asp
> > > >
> > > > For some really scientific stuff:
> > > > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~kc/Hemi/CogNeuro97.html
> > > >
> > > > Here is some stuff on brain shrinkage with age - looks like the male
> has
> > a
> > > > disadvantage:
> > > >
> >
http://www.docguide.com/dg.nsf/PrintPrint/30F67BF5DA97292E852565AA0054575D
> > > >
> > > > Here is a Google cached page with some very interesting data on it:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:Gv6JWusC0bgC:www.epub.org.br/cm/n11/men
> > > > te/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html+male,+female,+brain&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
> > > >
> > > > And here is a scientific paper which clearly refutes any notion that
> the
> > > > female brain is inferior to the male's:
> > > > http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Thompson/psychsex.htm
> > > >
> > > > And yet another:
> > > > http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/heshe.html
> > > >
> > > > My terminology was wrong, I meant the corpus callosum.  Either way,
> > women
> > > > use their entire brains more efficiently than men do and, once
again,
> > size
> > > > does NOT matter :P
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not only was your terminology wrong, but so were your conclusions.
Here
> > are
> > > some I just dug up.  In the following 12 subjects, no country scored
> lower
> > > than American 12th Grade Girls who scored:
> > >
> > > 22 points lower than American boys and 90 points lower than Greek
girls
> in
> > > Numbers & Equations.
> > >
> > > 41 points lower than American boys and 123 points lower than Cypriot
> girls
> > > in Calculus.
> > >
> > > 31 points lower than American boys and 121 points lower than French
> girls
> > in
> > > Geometry.
> > >
> > > 34 points lower than American boys and 139 points lower than Norwegian
> > girls
> > > in Physics.
> > >
> > > 53 points lower than American boys and 130 points lower than Norwegian
> > girls
> > > in Mechanics.
> > >
> > > 21 points lower than American boys and 152 points lower than Swedish
> girls
> > > in Electricity & Magnetism.
> > >
> > > 6 points lower than American boys and 37 points lower than Norwegian
> girls
> > > in Heat.
> > >
> > > 18 points lower than American boys and 86 points lower than Swedish
> girls
> > in
> > > Wave Phenomena.
> > >
> > > 20 points lower than American boys and 92 points lower than Swedish
> girls
> > in
> > > Modern Physics.
> > >
> > > 31 points lower than American boys and 117 points lower than French
> girls
> > in
> > > Advanced Math.
> > >
> > > 23 points lower than American boys and 65 points lower than Swedish
> girls
> > in
> > > General Science.
> > >
> > > 11 points lower than American boys and 77 points lower than Dutch
girls
> in
> > > General Math.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----
> > >
> > > Zero percent of American 12th grade girls correctly solved TIMSS math
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > Zero percent of American 12th grade girls correctly solved TIMSS
physics
> > > problems.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----
> > >
> > > Among American students on other standardized tests:
> > >
> > > In the quantitative section of the Graduate Record Exam:
> > >
> > > Mexican boys score 3 points higher than White girls.
> > >
> > > Mexican boys score 59 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > The average boys' score is 72 points higher than average girls' score.
> > >
> > > Foreign boys score 171 points higher than American girls.
> > >
> > > Asian boys score 234 points higher than black girls.
> > >
> > > Boys who major in engineering score 251 points higher than girls who
> major
> > > in education.
> > >
> > > In the verbal section of the Graduate Record Exam:
> > >
> > > Asian boys score 5 points higher than White girls.
> > >
> > > Mexican boys score 23 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > Boys who major in humanities score 114 points higher than girls who
> major
> > in
> > > education.
> > >
> > > White boys score 124 points higher than black girls.
> > >
> > > In the analytical section of the Graduate Record Exam:
> > >
> > > Mexican boys score 8 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > Indian boys score 15 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > Hispanic boys score 27 points higher than girls who major in
education.
> > >
> > > Asian boys score 79 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > White boys score 99 points higher than girls who major in education.
> > >
> > > Boys score 46 points higher than girls in SAT math.
> > >
> > > Boys score 2 points higher than girls in ACT math.
> > >
> > > Boys score 5 points higher than girls in NAEP math.
> > >
> > > Boys score 53 points higher than girls in TIMSS physics.
> > >
> > > Boys score 41 points higher than girls in TIMSS calculus.
> > >
> > > Swiss boys score 47 points higher than Swiss girls in TIMSS calculus.
> > >
> > > Boys score 17 points higher than girls in IAEP math.
> > >
> > > Would you mind telling us again, Shadow Dancer, whose brain it is that
> you
> > > believe is "damaged"?
> > >
> > > John Knight
> >
> > Your studies have been proven wrong.
> >
> > http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Thompson/psychsex.htm
> >
> > To Quote:
> >
> > "The most important single contribution to our knowledge of the facts of
> the
> > case is to be found in Dr. Franklin P. Mall's paper 'On Several
Anatomical
> > Characters of the Human Brain Said to Vary According to Race and Sex,
with
> > Especial Reference to the Weight of the Frontal Lobe' (Am. J. of Anat.,
> IX.,
> > p. 1, 1909). Dr. Mall's general conclusion is that there is as yet no
> > reliable evidence for the variation of anatomical characters with either
> > race or sex. The belief that the brains of females differ from those of
> > males has been widely accepted, and has been thought to be conclusive
> > evidence of the permanent inferiority of the female mind. The points in
> > which the female brain has been said to be inferior to the male are: (1)
> > total weight; (2) proportionate weight of the frontal lobe indicated by
> (a)
> > actual weighings, and (b) determinations of the position of the central
> > sulcus; (3) the area of the corpus callosum; (4) the complexity of gyri
> and
> > sulci; (5) the conformation of gyri and sulci; and (6) the rate of
> > development of the cortex in the foetus. Dr. Mall's paper gives a
critical
> > review of the literature of the subject to date, and adds important new
> > data.
> >
> > It is now a generally accepted belief that the smaller gross weight of
the
> > female brain has no significance other than that of the smaller average
> size
> > of the female. With regard to the other anatomical characters
enumerated,
> > Dr. Mall shows that those observers who have found differences
> > characteristic of sex have been guilty of serious errors in scientific
> > procedure. They have based conclusions on too small a series of
> > observations, have used methods too crude to make anything but large and
> > constant differences (which they did not obtain) significant, have made
> > their determinations with a knowledge of the sex of [p. 336] the brain
> under
> > consideration, and have even, in some cases, drawn conclusions not
> justified
> > by their own data. Those observers who have avoided these errors have
> found
> > no differences characteristic of sex. Dr. Mall himself finds none, and
is
> > inclined to believe that they do not exist. The only exception to this
> > statement is that he finds some evidence of a greater tendency of the
male
> > brain to vary from the normal conformation of gyri and sulci. "
> >
> > I know you didn't read the materials I offered, you were just waiting
for
> my
> > reply.
> >
> > Try reading the entire study, as well as the others.
>
> These studies are all quite meaningless.  It is a fact that men perform
> better in mathematics, which means that males have a higher level
> performance.  Anything else is an arbitrary assessment, just as it would
be
> to say that males perform better because their brains are different.
> Completely arbitrary.

I'm female, and I was a numerical mathematics major in college.

My IQ tested off the scale.

So much for your theories.





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