brain sizes: Einstein's and women's

GodEvolved nospam at spam.com
Sun Jul 14 16:08:55 EST 2002


hopems at mail.utexas.edu (Hope Munro Smith) wrote in
news:hopems-1407021613330001 at cs6625171-151.austin.rr.com: 

> In article <Xns924BB4E0CCA44nospamcom at 198.164.200.20>, GodEvolved
> <nospam at spam.com> wrote:
> 
>> "John Knight" <johnknight at usa.com> wrote in
>> news:6JkY8.59626$P%6.3948507 at news2.west.cox.net: 
>> 
>> > 
>> > "Hope Munro Smith" <hopems at mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
>> > news:hopems-1307021051520001 at cs6625171-151.austin.rr.com...
>> >> In article <3D2F9A44.2503D0E9 at gwi.net>, "Mark D. Morin"
>> >> <mdmpsyd at PETERHOOD69gwi.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > John Knight wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Angilion" <angilion at ypical.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:3d2f507c.20059553 at news.freeserve.net...
>> >> > > > [several groups cut to avoid excessive crossposting]
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:19:57 -0500, "Shadow Dancer"
>> >> > > > <insomniac at winterslight.org> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > [..]
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Thompson/psychsex.htm
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >To Quote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >"The most important single contribution to our knowledge of
>> >> > > > >the 
>> > facts of
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > >case is to be found in Dr. Franklin P. Mall's paper 'On
>> >> > > > >Several 
>> >> > > Anatomical
>> >> > > > >Characters of the Human Brain Said to Vary According to
>> >> > > > >Race and 
>> > Sex,
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > > >Especial Reference to the Weight of the Frontal Lobe' (Am.
>> >> > > > >J. of 
>> > Anat.,
>> >> > > IX.,
>> >> > > > >p. 1, 1909). Dr. Mall's general conclusion is that there is
>> >> > > > >as yet 
>> > no
>> >> > > > >reliable evidence for the variation of anatomical
>> >> > > > >characters with 
>> > either
>> >> > > > >race or sex. The belief that the brains of females differ
>> >> > > > >from 
>> > those of
>> >> > > > >males has been widely accepted, and has been thought to be
>> > conclusive
>> >> > > > >evidence of the permanent inferiority of the female mind.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > That's obviously out of date - the general belief nowdays is
>> >> > > > that 
>> > women
>> >> > > > are *more* intellectually capable than men.  Try reading the
>> >> > > > posts John Knight was replying to, for example.  Are you
>> >> > > > going to counter those, or are you one of the many who think
>> >> > > > that female people are innately superior to male people?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You are going back to 1910 for that paper.  Do you think
>> >> > > > that's actually relevant to today, especially in her
>> >> > > > conclusions about the prevailing belief concerning which sex
>> >> > > > is mentally superior? 
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > As an aside, I have seen it hypothesised that brain mass
>> >> > > > correlates 
>> > with
>> >> > > > height.  That would neatly explain the average difference in
>> >> > > > brain mass between men and women (as an artefact of the
>> >> > > > average difference in height) and the hypothesis sounds
>> >> > > > plausible. However, I haven't seen any evidence for it.  Do
>> >> > > > you have any? 
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Because of Wechsler's LIE, they obviously started with the
>> >> > > thesis that 
>> > "men
>> >> > > and women have the same IQ", and then worked backwards from
>> >> > > there to 
>> > prove
>> >> > > the thesis.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They're just like Wechlser.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "When Wechsler was developing his IQ test, he found that out
>> >> > > of 105 
>> > tests
>> >> > > assessing skills in solving maze-puzzles, involving the most
>> > heterogeneous
>> >> > > populations throughout the world, 99 showed an
>> >> > > incontrovertible male superiority. (Wechsler resolved this
>> >> > > type of problem by eliminating 
>> > all
>> >> > > those tests that resulted in findings of significant sex
>> > differences.)"
>> >> > > Leonardo_member at newsguy.com in 9miftl0239r at drn.newsguy.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They throw out 94% of the test,
>> >> >
>> >> > What test?  It wasn't constructed yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > then proclaim "the sexes are equal".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But GRE enables us to put those questions BACK on the table,
>> >> >
>> >> > strange, none of the published research, available at
>> >> > http://www.gre.org/respredict.html support that hypothesis.
>> >> >
>> >> > > and expose
>> >> > > Wechlser's LIE:
>> >> > > http://christianparty.net/gregeometry.htm
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://christianparty.net/gre.htm
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John Knight
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> This very page says that "It is a very select group of Americans,
>> >> less than 0.1% of the US population, which takes the Graduate
>> >> Record Exam each year."
>> >> Thus we can conclude absolutely nothing from the data as it is not
>> >> representative of the US population, only 0.1% of it.
>> > 
>> > This MAKES the case.
>> > 
>> > Theoretically (and of course affirmative action threw all such
>> > theory out the window) this would not be just 0.1% of the
>> > population--it would be the *top* 0.1%.
>> > 
>> > iow, this is the BEST of the BEST in women in academia, science,
>> > math, physics, chemistry, etc.
>> > 
>> > And the BEST of the BEST of women come nowhere close to the median
>> > of men in MANY of these test scores.  For example, at
>> > http://christianparty.net/gre.htm you will see that the top 2
>> > percentile of female education majors score lower than the median
>> > of male engineering majors.  Needless to say, the gap between the
>> > top 2 percentile of each group is even bigger than the gap in the
>> > median scores, which is 239 points. 
>> 
>> Hold on a sec here.  You can't do that.  You can't compare education
>> majors to engineering majors and then claim that its proof positive
>> that women aren't as smart as men.  That's like comparing apples and
>> oranges. 
>> 
>> Having just looked at the data, I find it interesting that supporting
>> pages will either not display and are disallowed by the server.  Be
>> that as it may, however, you still can't compare people in different
>> majors and draw some sort wild, generalized conclusion.  Well, you
>> can, but you shouldn't. 
>> 
> 
> 
> Good point GE.  Again, I also find it strange that verbal scores
> tend to be omitted from the few charts I was able to load.

I'm not sure what purpose verbal scores would serve on a engineering 
degree.

> 



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