brain sizes: Einstein's and women's

The 9th Witch appalachian_witch at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 15 21:00:20 EST 2002


John Jones <enuffSPAM at nothanks.invalid> wrote in message
news:rYKY8.16764$Qg.7186053 at twister.midsouth.rr.com...
>
> "The 9th Witch" <appalachian_witch at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:agvsc3$ohbqi$1 at ID-131540.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > John Jones <enuffSPAM at nothanks.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:YaGY8.16680$Qg.7106538 at twister.midsouth.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "The 9th Witch" <appalachian_witch at hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:agv9vt$oaamg$1 at ID-131540.news.dfncis.de...
> > > >
> > > > John Jones <enuffSPAM at nothanks.invalid> wrote in message
> > > > news:UCFY8.16655$Qg.7101271 at twister.midsouth.rr.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "The 9th Witch" <appalachian_witch at hotmail.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:agv7ck$p1o7n$1 at ID-131540.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Jones <enuffSPAM at nothanks.invalid> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > news:5xBY8.16592$Qg.7053158 at twister.midsouth.rr.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The 9th Witch" <appalachian_witch at hotmail.com> wrote
> in
> > > > > message
> > > > > > > news:aguhkq$nl8k9$1 at ID-131540.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Parse Tree <parsetree at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:6CyY8.1335$o7.353081 at news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > If Grace Murray Hopper really did invent the
> > > compiler,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > her impact has
> > > > > > > > > been far beyond that of Marie Curie, and most
> Nobel
> > > > > Laureates
> > > > > > > in general.
> > > > > > > > > http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/hopper.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She did. She also was the first to "debug" a
> > > computer:).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > T9W
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.byte.com/art/9404/sec15/art1.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry. Low score in English? You must have
> > > misinterpreted
> > > > > the quotation
> > > > > > marks.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I merely cited (and quoted) a differing point of view.
> Why
> > > did
> > > > > you delete the entire quote, and offer nothing in
> rebuttal
> > > except
> > > > > ad-hominem?
> > > >
> > > > But you didn't.
> > >
> > > I didn't what?  Cite and quote?
> > >
> > > > I never stated that she coined the term,..
> > >
> > > I never accused you of claiming that.  I never implied it
> either.
> > >
> > > > ..which is what you refuted.
> > >
> > > Please cite one sentence I wrote that supports your claim
> that I
> > > "refuted" something I never accused you of claiming.
> > >
> > > Think before you go hormonal - I tried to be most careful in
> what
> > > I posted just to avoid this kind of  eruption from you.
> > >
> > > > I merely stated that she was the first to "debug" (not
> debug) a
> > > > computer, which is general concensus, as a moth had never
> been
> > > known to have
> > > > entered a computer before the time of her log.
> > >
> > > Please restore the text you deleted, and you'll see that I
> never
> > > challenged that - I only pointed you to dissenting opinions.
> > >
> >
> > Below:
> >
> > > She did. She also was the first to "debug" a computer:).
> > >
> > > T9W
> >
> > /* Here I state that she is the first to "debug" a computer. */
> >
> > http://www.byte.com/art/9404/sec15/art1.htm
> >
> > "Hopper and her colleagues must have thought the discovery of
> the
> > moth remarkable because mechanical defects were already called
> > bugs. Her September 9, 1945, log entry, which reads, "First
> > actual case of bug being found," makes this quite clear.
> >
> >  Even the
> > verb debug must have predated Mark II, since the OED cites a
> 1945
> > use in the Journal of the Royal Aeronautical Society, which was
> > probably preceded by sev eral years of oral use in engineering
> > slang.
> >
> > /*Here your cite claims that the term debug was already used.
> Neither I nor
> > Grace Hopper disputed that.*/
> >
> > The argument is clinched by remarks made by J. Presper Eckert,
> > the coinventor of ENIAC, the first fully electronic digital
> > computer. In an interview in Computerworld (George Harrar, "In
> > the Beginning...," November 3, 1986), Eckert was asked, "Do you
> > know how the term bug originated?" He replied, "I know how
> Grace
> > Hopper thinks it originated. She tells this fanciful story. As
> > far as I know, this was a term in use by engineers, both
> > mechanical and electrical, for difficulties in the equipment
> long
> > before Grace Hopper ever heard of any of these things. What it
> > amounts to is that it was a new term to Grace. I've never
> called
> > her up and told her that that's nuts, but it is nuts. That term
> > was in wide use before then."
> >
> > /* Here this author claims that Admiral Hopper said she coined
> the term. She
> > did not. She made a joke upon finding an actual bug in the
> computer, hence
> > claiming to be the first to "debug" a computer. FWIW, computers
> are not
> > usually debugged, programs are.*/
> >
> > **************************************************************
> >
> > Nothing in your cite disputes the fact that she was the first
> to "debug" a
> > computer, which is what I said. So why did you cite and quote a
> refutation
> > of the origination of the term?
>
> Just a point of interest.
>
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I, for one, am glad she was tenacious, a quality usually
> frowned upon in
> > women.
>
> Don't be so defensive. I didn't claim otherwise.
>

I'm not really. It was more for others that know me than you in particular:)
Kind of an inside joke.

T9W





More information about the Neur-sci mailing list