Modelling the human brain by modelling its evolutionary emergence

Frans van der Walle fw.novoware at wxs.nl
Fri Mar 1 02:55:12 EST 2002


mat <mats_trash at hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
43525ce3.0202281113.3ed9a26b at posting.google.com...
> Biography of Man describes that history
> > of a living (and
> > changing) entity from its inception as an initial multi-cell life form
(some
> > 700 million years
> > ago) up to its present status.
>
> And you have evidence for this?
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Yes, read my book.
FW
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>
> Yes fine becuase no-one had a counter observation.  Your model
> suggests Hopfield networks in the brain employing simple logic gates.
> I can point to a few thousand papers which show neurons are not logic
> gates.
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Hopfield networks require much more functionality than simple logic gates.
Storing of a vector requires an iterative update of all 1/2(n(n-1))
connections between the n nodal points of a Hopfield network according to
'Heb's rule'.
FW
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>
> > If you require that all aspects from small to large have to be
> > included/solved at the same time,
> > you block all progress.
>
> Not at all, I don't need psychology to deal with neuronal function,
> but it definitely must not violate what is known about it!  I can't
> suggest in my pop psychology theory that neurons are arranged in
> hopfield networks, and in their non-coding DNA their behaviour is
> encoded.  Its contradictory to decades of research, and it doesn't
> even yield a worthwhile conclusion.
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You have an explanation/function for non-coding DNA?
FW
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>
> > In my case it means e.g. that it is
> > worthwhile to
> > investigate wat difference there is in the brain activation between an
> > englishman writing the
> > word &#8216;table' and a german writing the word &#8216;Tafel'.
>
> I thoroughly agree that measuring brain activation in these different
> circumstances would be interesting (and I'm sure its been done using
> fMRI, PET or something else) but your method can't hope to be of any
> use in doing so.
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You don't know if you don't read it!
FW
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>
> > If my modelling is
> > correct, then there is
> > no difference in the cortex activation but there must be a difference in
> > either the cranial nerve
> > nuclei or in the brain stem / spinal cord &#8216;pattern generators'.
>
> What modelling? So now you actually have an artifically evolved brain
> somewhere? that can understand, read and write English and German.
> Your either extremely secretive or just lying now!  You would have
> made a huge leap forward in AI were that claim true and you wouldn't
> be discussing it here.
>
> Anyway, to suggest that semantic concepts are identically modelled in
> different people who speak different languages is wrong.  For analgous
> situations check out the work of Walter J. Freeman who has shown that
> neural activation to a stimulus is different across individuals, and
> within individuals depending on context.
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That is a different story; the mind is indeed a complex phenomenon. I have
only (tried to) tackle an (important) part of its functionality.
FW
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 Therefore, the cortical
> activation changes with meaning.  Your really haven't done any
> reseacrh apart from a few books on psychology have you?  And now you
> claim to have uncovered the architecture of the cerebral cortex....
>
> > I don't know sufficiently what can be
> > measured with present
> > measuring techniques.
>
etc.

> > There will remain therefore always a &#8216;terra incognita', regarding
the &#8216;inner
> > workings', as you
> > expressed it.
>
> Well I'm sure there would if I wanted it in terms of quantum
> mechanics, but I think understanding it in terms of action potentials,
> protein dynamics etc. is rather well within our grasp given time.
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Good luck!
FW
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>
>
> > $7 My modelling is now a 1000 page handbook &#8216;Biography of Man'
with some 6
> > underlying
> > research documents, parts I through IV, VIII and IX. We are planning now
a
> > three year
> > refinement and extension research program in cooperation with the
> > psycho-neuro-
> > pharmacological dept of professor Alexander Cools of Nijmegen University
> > (KUN). It will
> > (hopefully) lead to a number of scientific publications, aimed at very
> > specific aspects of the
> > modelling procedure. The planned research subjects are more or less
> > identified by the list of
> > questions I cited in my summary of my request for comment in my
newsgroup
> > communication of 23-02-2002. This three year follow-up research project
will
> > lead to a
> > software implementation of the modelling environment (in fact a
computerized
> > psychology
> > implementation). We plan to use it for two applications:
> >    One for supporting managers in strategic decision making in a
competitive
> > environment.
>
> So all you are doing is creating  neural net that learns to make
> decisions.  I don't think that constitutes having modelled the brain
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You are a fast judge!
FW
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