brain sizes: Einstein's and women's
lojbab at lojban.org
Sat Sep 7 18:52:41 EST 2002
"John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote:
>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab at lojban.org> wrote in message
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>> >> >"A [mamzer] shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to
>> >> > his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the
>> >> > LORD", Deuteronomy 23:2
>> >> Totally ignoring other passages that contradict that one, like the one
>> >> a few verses later where it says 3 generations for Moabites and
>> >> Egyptians.
>> >This is the CLASSIC example of how you never get any single fact
>> Sorry. Edomite. Copied the wrong word from your erroneous list:
>It was YOUR "mistake",
I said it was a mistake, and even apologized; I was up too late. But
your list has Edomite and Egyptian in it, and the Bible contradicts
>> Deut 23: 7-8
>> > Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt
>not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.
>> > The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the
>congregation of the LORD in their third generation.
>The *correct* translation is:
>"Thou shalt not abhor a [SYRIAN:] for he is thy brother, thou
>shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in
LIAR. You speak the words of your master the Deceiver, the Prince of
>(Gen 36:6) Esau took his wives, his sons, his daughters, and all the members
>of his household, as well as his livestock comprising various animals and
>all the property he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to the land
>of Seir, out of the way of his brother Jacob.
>The KJV translators made a "little" error.
How does your quote disprove the Deuteronomy quote?
>> Of course it is legal. Show us where the Bible says that adoption is
>> not legal.
>If Israelites put away their OWN children who were conceived with
>non-Israelites, they certainly wouldn't run around Cush adopting little
>niglets and spics.
Of course it is legal. Show us where the Bible says that adoption is
>Adoption isn't even mentioned in the Holy Bible because ejecting mamzers
>makes the message clear enough.
False again. Before Abram had Isaac, he had an adopted heir:
>1: After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a
> vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding
> great reward.
> 2: And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go
> childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
> 3: And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo,
> one born in my house is mine heir.
Two of the sons of Abraham were ADOPTED.
>1: And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph,
> Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons,
> Manasseh and Ephraim.
> 2: And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto
> thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.
> 3: And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz
> in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
> 4: And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and
> multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and
> will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting
> 5: And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto
> thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are
> mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
> 6: And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine,
> and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their
And Jacob goes on to say make the younger Ephraim have the rights of
the firstborn of his sons, and both of Joseph's children (whose mother
was an Egyptian, remember, so they are "mongrels") first above his own
> 9: They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead
> them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight
> way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and
> Ephraim is my firstborn.
Oh, and how about Moses himself. Not only was he adopted by Pharoah's
daughter, but he married a Midianite and hence his one son was a
>10: And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter,
> and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said,
> Because I drew him out of the water.
Finally, even preceding Deuteronomy, we have:
> And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of
> the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
> But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast
> circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
> A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
> In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought
> of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone
> All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
> And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the
> passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let
> him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the
> land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
> One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger
> that sojourneth among you.
> Thus did all the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses
> and Aaron, so did they.
And we thus see that a hired servant who is circumcised becomes an
adopted member of the people of Israel, as is a stranger who keeps the
Passover and who has all his males circumcised.
(This presumably is the justification for Gentiles converting and
becoming Jews, and incidentally destroys your claim that any Jews not
descended from Israel cannot become Israelites. They had to sojourn
with the Israelites, keep the Passover, and have all males
circumcised. Thus all the Jews of Judah described in Ezra and
Nehemiah who kept the ways of the Lord, and the Jews of Judah who kept
the Passover with Josiah in Chronicles were all part of the tribe of
Judah regardless of their ancestry, BECAUSE BY DOING SO THEY WERE NO
Adoption of Gentiles continued into New Testament times.
>Hosea 2, verse 23
> 23: And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy
> upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which
> were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art
> my God.
>Romans 9, verses 24 - 26
> 24: Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of
> the Gentiles?
> 25: As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which
> were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
> 26: And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said
> unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the
> children of the living God.
>Ephesians 3, verse 6
> 6: That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body,
> and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
>> >> Finally, what makes YOU an expert on the interpretation of Old
>> >> Testament Law? Are you a rabbi? Do you practice the other laws of
>> >> Deuteronomy? If you don't, then you are no longer an Israelite, no
>> >> matter what your purported ancestry.
>> >If you want to learn about the Talmud, talk to a rabbi. If you want to
>> >learn about the Holy Bible--READ IT.
>> You are incapable of reading.
>Arguing with yourself again?
Nope. Are YOU circumcised? Do YOU keep the Passover? If not, then
you have no part in the covenant of Abraham and Moses. If you are a
Christian (which I doubt, but the Lord knows what is in your heart),
then you may have a part of the New covenant. But you are not an
"Israelite" because God cut off and destroyed the Israelites that did
not keep his commandments. Your mythical Celtic Israelites did NOT
keep the Passover and the commandments of the Lord.
>And so did the Khazars, who "jewish writers" CLAIM are 90% of today's
No they don't. And don't mention Koestler unless you can give an
exact quote where he says that 90% of today's Jews are Khazar.
>Do you know why you make so many FALSE statements?
Do you know why you make so many FALSE statements? Because you are a
tool of your master the Prince of Lies.
>You know utterly nothing about White Christian Israelites.
I know they don't exist.
>To set the record straight: you have consistently proven that, just to have
>something to criticize, you have to keep on making up LIES.
I don't have to lie, I just have to quote you, and I have plenty to
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