brain sizes: Einstein's and women's

Bob LeChevalier lojbab at lojban.org
Mon Sep 16 04:27:30 EST 2002


"John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote:
>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab at lojban.org> wrote in message
>> >Every word Christ spoke to His Twelve Disciples was a commandment.
>>
>> Then Christ changed His commandments over time.
>>
>
>No, He did NOT.
>
>The only way you get there is to belive jews who LIE.

My ONLY source in my statement comment was the Holy Bible.  No person,
Jew or otherwise told me anything.  Therefore your statement is
equivalent to saying that the Holy Bible was written by "Jews who
LIE".

>Christ did not LIE,

Correct.

>did not make mistakes,

Correct.

>and did not change God's nor Israelite Law.

Correct.

But He did change his instructions to His disciples, and none of your
silly wordplay will change that fact.

And I never even bothered with the longer form of the Great
Commission, which is not in the original KJV, but is in some ancient
Bibles (e.g. the Alexandrian Codex and the Vulgate, and quoted by
Irenaeus of Lyons in the 2nd century) and is included in many modern
translations. That is the text from Mark 16:15-16 (here quoted from
the RSV)
>And he said to them "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to
> the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved;
> but he who does not believe will be condemned."

The Catholic New American Bible has
>15 
>He said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to
> every creature. 
>16 
>Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not
> believe will be condemned.
 
and the footnote:
> [9-20] This passage, termed the Longer Ending to the Marcan gospel by
> comparison with a much briefer conclusion found in some less
> important manuscripts, has traditionally been accepted as a canonical
> part of the gospel and was defined as such by the Council of Trent.
> Early citations of it by the Fathers indicate that it was composed by
> the second century, although vocabulary and style indicate that it
> was written by someone other than Mark. It is a general resume of the
> material concerning the appearances of the risen Jesus, reflecting,
> in particular, traditions found in Luke 24 and John 20. 

You of course will assume solely based on the fact that it contradicts
your assumed meanings of other passages that the text is bogus.  But
most of your 2 billion Christians take these words as gospel.

>> God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.  He then commanded Abraham
>> not to do so.  God did not make a mistake.
>
>You're right.  It wasn't even close to a "mistake".  It was a test.

But He did change His commandment to Abraham, for His purposes.

>> >If any "circumstances
>> >changed", God would have known long before they changed and accounted for
>> >it.
>>
>> Then God knew in advance what Abraham would do and accounted for it.
>> But He still commanded the sacrifice of Isaac, and then commanded NOT
>> the sacrifice.
>
>You can't make an anology between God's *test* and your LIE that Christ made
>a mistake.

I can find dozens of places where God commanded one thing and then
later commanded another because circumstances had changed.

>> >Neither God nor Christ made any mistakes, and they didn't need to change any
>> >laws, for any reason.
>>
>> But they did, whether they needed to or not.  (And who are YOU to say
>> what God or Christ needs to do?)
>
>It's the Holy Bible that says this.

The Holy Bible said the other things too, loser.

>You want to believe that Christ was a fool who didn't know what He was
>talking about and had to keep changing His mind, *and* God's Law.

No.  I read (whether I believe or not) that Christ told the disciples
to do one thing at one time, and then at a later time he told them
something different and contradictory.

Here is another case where God said something and then commanded
something contrary.

>Gen.9
>[1] And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
>[2] And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
>[3] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> green herb have I given you all things.
>[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.


>[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
>[3] Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
>[4] Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or
> of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the
> cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
>[5] And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the
> hoof; he is unclean unto you.
>[6] And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the
> hoof; he is unclean unto you.
>[7] And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet
> he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
>[8] Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not
> touch; they are unclean to you.

Are you going to contend that camels, coneys, hare, and swine are not
"moving things that liveth"?

Or:
Jonah.3
>[1] And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
>[2] Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
>[3] So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
>[4] And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Nineveh shall be overthrown.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[5] So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
>[6] For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
>[7] And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
>[8] But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
>[9] Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
>[10] And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What have we here?  The Holy Bible has God CHANGING HIS MIND?  Saying
something and then saying something else?  But then you might say that
the omniscient God KNEW that they would change and turn away from
evil.  But then this would mean that he told Jonah a LIE.

But God doesn't make mistakes and God doesn't lie, so God indeed can
tell someone one thing and then under different circumstances tell
something else for His purposes.

>He NEVER did that, and your insistence that He did is a big fat jewish LIE.

YOU are the speaker of LIES, the mouthpiece for your father the Prince
of Lies.

>Christ didn't tell anybody, particularly not His Twelve Disciples, to cater
>to jews nor Hittites nor Moabs nor Edomites nor Canaanites nor Cushites nor
>any OTHER race which had been condemned by the Israelites throught the
>millennia--He told them multiple times in multiple ways: "But go rather to
>the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

And at another time He said to "proclaim the gospel to every
creature".

>That's not "bullshit".  That's not "LIES fed to you by your Father the
>Prince of Lies".  But it IS blasphemy for you to proclaim that the Man who
>spoke those words was my "Father the Prince of Lies".

YOU are the blasphemer, who cannot tell the words of the Prince of
Lies from the words of the LORD.

YOU are the one who claims that Paul's words as part of the Holy Bible
are useful in telling us the evils of Jews.  But then when it suits
you, you agree with Willie that Paul was a "false prophet" and with
Thomas Jefferson that Paul was the "great perverter" of the pure
teachings of Jesus.

YOU are a LIAR and a hypocrite, and should be ashamed to show your
face to the Lord, who knows the evil that dwells in your heart.

>> Modern definitions of "race" have nothing to do with Hebrew
>> definitions of "nations"
>
>The definition of "race" hasn't changed one iota since the beginning of
>Time. 

You are an idiot.  The English language has not existed since the
beginning of time and thus there was no word "race" in Biblical times.
There were words like the Greek "ethnos" which you want to believe
means what you think "race" means, but that is YOUR problem because
the word "ethnos" does not refer to what you call race, the Greeks and
the Romans, the Russians and the Germans, were NOT the same "ethnos"
even if you think they were all "Caucasians".

>The Holy Bible describes the genealogies of multiple races in far
>more detail than you "liberals" could ever hope to understand.

It does not call them "races".  It calls them words written in Hebrew
and Greek, which meant something that English translators might
approximate with "race" but words in different languages don't
necessarily mean exactly the same thing.

>> But since the disciples did not stay glued together, the various
>> disciples went to different nations and preached to different people.
>> Under you interpretation they would have all needed to join themselves
>> at the hip and ALL of them go EVERYWHERE.
>>
>> This of course is nonsense.
>
>They were ALL there when Christ said "But go rather to the lost sheep of the
>house of Israel", they all AGREED, they HEARD what He said, and nothing you
>can say now will change that FACT.
>
>Christ DID NOT make a mistake.  No Disciple misunderstood what He said and
>meant.

Of course not.  But YOU misunderstood what He said and meant, because
you are no Disciple, but rather the mouthpiece for the Prince of Lies.

>Nobody agreed that just James would adhere to this commandment, and
>the other 11 would just do as they please, as you "suggest".

I suggested no such thing, and you are no more capable of
understanding my words than you are capable of understanding the words
of the LORD.  Your mind is beclouded by your master the Prince of
Lies, and you are incapable of seeing the Truth of the Lord.

You are a loser.  Just as your master is the ultimate Loser.

>> >> >or trash the entire history of the Israelites,
>> >>
>> >> He said nothing about "trashing" or "not trashing" the "entire history
>> >> of the Israelites"
>> >
>> >He didn't have to.  It was understood.
>>
>> Only in your imagination.
>>
>> I choose to believe what the Holy Bible states and not the words of a
>> nincompoop speaking the LIES of his father the Prince of Lies.
>
>Yes, of course. This is what the Talmud TELLS you to do.

Really?  And where does the Talmud say this?

>You jews and "liberals" really DO believe that Christ was "the Prince of Lies".

Sorry, but if you insist, I identify your master by the words of
Revelation:
>that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And your words are those of the beast
>[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
>[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

>You would rather call Christ a LIAR

It is YOU that calls Him that.

lojbab



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