Charlie's Animal Research Lab seeks expert help.
The Puppy Wizard
ThePuppyWizard at earthlink.net
Sun Jul 27 12:15:24 EST 2003
HOWEDY professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!'
into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
reflection" dermer of the department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:bfv0tq$4nl$1 at uwm.edu...
> In article <56t5iv0ph9los9d49qjo85m30vru8krood at 4ax.com>
> charlie_wilkes at easynews.com writes:
> >I'm not interested in what Amy thinks based on
The PROVEN FACT she's a liar nd dog abuser.
> > a general understanding of how the thing works.
If HOWER DOG LOVERS understood HOWE things
work, they'd NEVER do the things they do to train
> > That is not science.
You mean, as in SCIENCE? Where RESULTS are PROVEN by
consistent repeated precise replication by anybody following
> > I'm interested in controlled tests to document and measure
> > the ability of the DDR to influence animal behavior in a kennel
> > or animal housing facility.
His Excellency Pope Charlie will get the PREDICTABLE
That'll present a PROBLEM for CONTROLS, professor.
The DDR will CURE behavior problems all on it's own.
That's HOWE COME it works on NEIGHBOR'S animals.
That the inconsiderate neighbor is unable or unwilling to
attempt to solve the problem IS A BENEFIT, professor.
That means NOBODY'S COMPOMISING the EFFECTS
of the BIOSOUND by inducing STRESS from let's say,
But if we continue to SUBVERT the machine by increasing
anxiety through inappupriate handling techniques, there's
no drug or method in the Whole Wild World that's gonna
compensate for the PRIMARY CAUSE of every behavior
problem and many physical health disorders, as we see
RIGHT HERE, on The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Forum.
If any statistician is interested, all the STATISTICS are posted
in The Puppy Wizard's Archives. Look an see HOWE many
of HOWER regular poster's dogs have temperament behavior
and health disorders.
Here's a TIP. Look for those who DO NOT have stress related
temperament behavior and health problems and you won't
spend eterninty cruchin numbers. MOST of HOWER experts
got the same same same same problems.
Dog training doesn't take YEARS unless you're MISHANDLING
the dog. The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students REPORT NEARLY INSTANT, 100%
TOTAL SUCCESS, CONSISTENTLY, professor.
The only WONS who've not reported such success have
not applied the method as instructed and failed to do the
WORK. Like yourself for EXXXAMPLE, professor. You
admitted you'd NEVER READ the text, befor IT TURNED
YOUR STOMACH and you reported your CONclusions
You likeWIZE, KILLFILED marilyn, for this:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This *(destructive separation
I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients
Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' " - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Seems you was havin a good belly laugh with
your pal sindy SADIST mooreon abHOWET
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiet / Bed Time Calming Technique (TPWSTSA/BTCT).
> Jerry claims that the DDR will help all kinds of animals.
INDEEDY. Ask katra, the latest of HOWER DOG LOVERS
to PROVE the METHOD and the MACHINE, professor.
> Humans are complicated animals,
INDEED. That's what we been talkin abHOWET for five
years nHOWE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. The problem
ain't the dogs, they train up CONSISTENTLY WELL, if
you follow the PROVEN EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC and
PSYCHOLOGICAL Techniques taught in your FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual.
> so why not ask Jerry to have the DDR on when he
> posts to USENET for the month of August?
Oh. On accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard loaned HIS
People Do Right Machine to a researcher who UNDERSTANDS
the devastating effects and subtle dysfunctional emotional
and physical results obtained by stress inducing handling
and training techniques.
> We could then quantify the hostility of Jerry's posts
> before, during, and after August.
This isn't abHOWET The Puppy Wizard, professor WORD WEASEL.
> We might even ask Jerry to reintroduce the DDR in October.
Only if it hasn't been reduced long before that, it works
NEARLY INSTANTLY on ANY animal up to abHOWET
five hundred feet away... therefore PROFESSOR, there's
NO INTERFERENCE from the traditional ANTAGNOISTS,
except those which are triggering the behavor at the moment.
> This is called an ABAB, single-subject design. See:
Yeah, The Puppy Wizard was trying to read it but
suffers some ACROBAT probelm so HE'LL try to
reinstall the reader program and see if there's any
if the IMPORTANT information, like TRADITIONAL
HANDLING and TRAINING, as taught by a university
trained ANAL-ytic behaviorISMIST.
> If the DDR diminishes Jerry's extraordinarily hostile,
Even katra, a PROVEN LIAR and DOG ABUSER, who
TRADITIONALLY HATES The Puppy Wizard for EXXXXPOSING
her abuse TO HERSELF has admitted DDR CURED her
kat's HOWEsbreaking and other behavior problems, and
CURED her Cockatoo of DESTRUCTIVE CHEWING and
HOWEver professor, SHE STATES DDR DID NOT DO
ALL IT SHOULD HAVE, FOR HER DOGS IN TRAINING.
katra likeWIZE reiterates SHE DOES NOT HIT HER DOGS
NOMOORE... Nor can she train them not to chase her
chickens or any other behavior cause she relies on THREATS,
WITHHOLDING, BRIBES, and INTIMIDATION, instead of the
PURE PLEASURE of PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE
to make your dog NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING
you ask, professor, NEARLY INSTANTLY.
UNCIVIL? What did HOWER good professor find in his
FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual that TURNED HIS
Only thing coulda been was that The Puppy Wizard
lays the blame for the malignant state of affairs of
BEHAVIORISM, squarely where it BELONGS, on
the hands of HOWER university professors who
TEACH HOWER KIDS HOWE to PUNISH BEHAVIORS,
and not the patient, and will shock patients with the
consent of their guardians, when necessary, when
SCRUPULHOWESLY APPLIED EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC
METHODS, don't luck HOWET.
> irrational posts
HOWE abHOWET those IRRATIONAL posts of HIS students,
like Professora Daniel and Sunshine? She WORKED WITH
your dra mcconnel and the staff of Purdue for 2 YEARS with
NO success. She studied her FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Trainining Method Manual and
CURED her dog Sunshine's AGGRESSION and OCD behavior
problmes IN WON WEEK, professor.
Nevyn CURED his 3yo bitches aggression in 23 DAYS, professor.
Valerie CURED her Dal's AGGRESSION in 3 DAYS, professor.
His Excellency Pope Charlie CURED his dog Holly's AGGRESSION
in WON DAY, professor SCRFF SHAKE. All by using PRAISE and
not trying to force control HOWETA FEAR.
> then I think it might have great promise with other organisms
> including dogs.
HOWE abHOWET WORMS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
> Even if Jerry were faking being extraordinarily kind,
You're calling a whole lot of good people all over the
Whole Wild World who've STUDIED the text you adimtted
NEVER READING past the introduction where YOU
IDENTIFIED YOURSELF as a liar and dog abuser.
Is there any CIVIL way to CALL YOU A LIAR, professor?
I mean, withHOWET LYIN BY OMISSION?
> and rational,
The Puppy Wizard has been tellin you for five
years your training methods could result in the
same same same same physical health problems
your dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY
Obsessively Compulsive Masturbator IS DYIN
FROM RIGHT NOW.
> for August and October, that would be an improvement.
By then, you might be thrown the heel HOWETA all
the "professional psychology" associations you belong to,
and perhaps booted HOWETA the university, IN DISGRACE.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: new puppy bitting/chewing hands
In article <378156F8.B63D9362 at bellsouth.net> Biosound at aol.com writes:
> Using many, many words,
Which WORDS are you thinkin, professor?
That's a hugely important point to make PRECISELY
CLEAR, so we can SEE what your REAL argument is.
> like his manual,
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual is only abHOWET 75 pages, and it's got
EVERY THING YOU NEED TO KNOW to train your dog
to any level of discipline you prefer, in any field or job you
> Jerry now asserts that the punishment procedures I have
> recommended are inappropriate
Sez so in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. Don't it,
professor. Oh, almost FORGOT, YOU NEVER READ IT.
> and that about 10% of the dogs treated this way will
> "turn on their owners."
Let's say it's only WON %, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
Is that WON % DEAD DOGS, ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?
> My only second thought
You never had a first thought, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
Or it woulda been the RESULT of ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR
and your kids crawlin all over the dog on the livin room floor
who'd been TAUGHT with SCRUFF SHAKIN.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT, in RETROSPECT, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
> about what I recommended was that I did not realize
> how young the puppy was.
Age is not the critteria for HOWE MUCH ABUSE to administer.
> So, the "ouch" you hurt me approach
Often overstimulates the dog and teaches the dog
you MISTRUST and FEAR HIM.
> advocated by Avrama
You mean professora "CHIN CHUCK absolutely
doesn't mean SLAP the dog," gingold, professor?
> and others would
What would you and the "other's" say CHIN CHUCK means?
Does chin chuck NOT mean SLAP THE DOG?
> appear more appropriate than picking the
> dog up by the neck and gently shaking it
HOWE would HOWER good professor LIKE IT if
The Puppy Wizard was to pick you up in the air
and shake you while screamin NO into your ugly
mug for five seconds? HOWE might THAT effect
YOUR PEERS, if they was watchin your superior
disciplin you in such a barbaric manner, professor?
Let's talk SCIENCE, professor.
> contingent on biting.
Dogs bite becauase they're AFRAID, or as puppies,
to play and bond... neither should be responded to
with rejection or fear, cause that'll likely overstimulate
the dog and reinforce the behavior.
> I can understand that some people do not want to
> use punishment
Sorry professor. It's no longer a matter of PREFERENCE.
We've GOT THE STASTICS RIGHT HERE, TO PROVE
The Puppy Wizard's STATEMENT that your training
methods are responsible for all the behavior problems
and many of the health probelms with chemical imbalances
due to contstant variably reinforced FEAR INTIMIDATION
> but t can be very effective if used sparingly.
Your own dog has masturbatory OCD and IS DYING of IBS...
You've spent PLENTY on his veterinary treatments which
have shown NO CAUSE for his MYSTERIHOWES illness.
> As for the 10% figure Jerry provides no research.
Welcome to The Puppy Wizard's Human Behavior Laboratory.
The snake has eaten hisself, professor.
The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
author of the zero selling book
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of
"BethF" <dawg at alaska.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarcher at netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03 at posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdrums at aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
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> > > >"brianev" brianev at attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2dogs at rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca at 18.104.22.168...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1 at uwm.edu...
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1 at earthlink.net>
rhurwitz at earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its
face for 5
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
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