Lax parents blamed for 'attention deficit' behaviour

John H. john at
Tue Jul 29 08:00:26 EST 2003

I know of at least 2 undisputable recent trials (metronome training and a
type of video game) which can benefit ADD children. The reason I put the
question to Glen is because there seems to be this assumption kicking around
that if you find an organic difference in brains (and you do in ADHD) then
you need some drug regime to correct the problem. However, one can also find
organic disorders in depression but this can also be treated with behavorial
therapy. A study last year showed that the same changes that occur with
ssri's also occur with cognitive therapy in depressed patients. I am at a
loss to fully understand why behavioural therapy has taken such a backseat,
except to suggest that in science, though to a lesser degree than other
areas of intellectual endeavour, fad and fashion still have considerable
influence. We now see this constant stream of "we have found the gene for
X". Even in identical twins, however, schizophrenia is only 50% concordant.
It is maddening to see people swing from nature to nurture, as if the piggy
in the middle, is not a causative agent on the nature or nurture. No, I'm
not being dualist!

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"Terea" <DvdTurnbull at> wrote in message
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> gmsizemore2 at (Glen M. Sizemore) wrote in message
news:<6e2f1d09.0307271157.50113988 at>...
> > &#65279;...
> >
> > Oh Jeez. Where to start? In a way, the answer can be
> > summed up by one word - animism. Like animism,
> > "modern" behavioral
> > neurobiology/psychiatry/pharmacology puts the causes
> > of behavior inside the organism. Behavioral psychology
> > and behaviorism were, contrary to popular belief, never
> > widely understood and after Chomsky's
> > misrepresentation of Verbal Behavior, a campaign of
> > misrepresentation and de facto censorship began that
> > was virtually without measure in the history of
> > philosophy and science. For these reasons, the prestige
> > of behavior analysis has suffered. At the same time,
> > technology has provided equipment with which the
> > activity of the brain can be studied. Given our
> > compulsion for looking for causes inside the organism,
> > and the neglect of the subtle role of the environment in
> > modulating behavior. Behavior analysis has been
> > abandoned and the "receptor-malfunction" view of
> > behavioral pathology has flourished. There is no
> > question that drugs can profoundly change behavior,
> > but it is also true that manipulating contingencies of
> > reinforcement can do so as well.
> >
> > "John H." <john at> wrote in message
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> > > There is a recent large West Australian study which found that
> > > counselling in dealing with their difficult children reduced the drug
> > > requirements and had very good effects in some children. Yes, there is
> > > place for behavioural therapy but what I can't understand is why this
> > > is so often ignored. Perhaps Mr. Sizemore can cast some light on this
> > > strange abandonment.
> > >
> > > --
> > > johnYYYcoe at
> > >
> > > remove YYY in reply
> > > "Glen M. Sizemore" <gmsizemore2 at> wrote in message
> > > news:6e2f1d09.0307240253.216373a7 at
> > > > Behaviorists have been saying this for decades. I'm a little
> > > > at hearing that what is essentially applied behavior analysis is
> > > > referred to as a "breakthrough." Applied behavior analysis is
> > > > certainly effective, but it is about 50 years old.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jasbird <> wrote in message
> Well this must be the way forward for these children then no more
> repeat prescriptions of ritalin but lets invest in more behaviourists
> and give plenty of support not only to the child but the family as a
> whole.

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