Lax parents blamed for 'attention deficit' behaviour

David Longley David at
Thu Jul 31 18:59:39 EST 2003

In article <3f266f6e at>, John H. <john at>
>I know of at least 2 undisputable recent trials (metronome training and a
>type of video game) which can benefit ADD children. The reason I put the
>question to Glen is because there seems to be this assumption kicking around
>that if you find an organic difference in brains (and you do in ADHD) then
>you need some drug regime to correct the problem. However, one can also find
>organic disorders in depression but this can also be treated with behavorial
>therapy. A study last year showed that the same changes that occur with
>ssri's also occur with cognitive therapy in depressed patients. I am at a
>loss to fully understand why behavioural therapy has taken such a backseat,
>except to suggest that in science, though to a lesser degree than other
>areas of intellectual endeavour, fad and fashion still have considerable
>influence. We now see this constant stream of "we have found the gene for
>X". Even in identical twins, however, schizophrenia is only 50% concordant.
>It is maddening to see people swing from nature to nurture, as if the piggy
>in the middle, is not a causative agent on the nature or nurture. No, I'm
>not being dualist!

Sadly, I suspect that the decision will come down to cost - Ritalin is

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>"Terea" <DvdTurnbull at> wrote in message
>news:466b5673.0307282003.c954960 at
>> gmsizemore2 at (Glen M. Sizemore) wrote in message
>news:<6e2f1d09.0307271157.50113988 at>...
>> > &#65279;...
>> >
>> > Oh Jeez. Where to start? In a way, the answer can be
>> > summed up by one word - animism. Like animism,
>> > "modern" behavioral
>> > neurobiology/psychiatry/pharmacology puts the causes
>> > of behavior inside the organism. Behavioral psychology
>> > and behaviorism were, contrary to popular belief, never
>> > widely understood and after Chomsky's
>> > misrepresentation of Verbal Behavior, a campaign of
>> > misrepresentation and de facto censorship began that
>> > was virtually without measure in the history of
>> > philosophy and science. For these reasons, the prestige
>> > of behavior analysis has suffered. At the same time,
>> > technology has provided equipment with which the
>> > activity of the brain can be studied. Given our
>> > compulsion for looking for causes inside the organism,
>> > and the neglect of the subtle role of the environment in
>> > modulating behavior. Behavior analysis has been
>> > abandoned and the "receptor-malfunction" view of
>> > behavioral pathology has flourished. There is no
>> > question that drugs can profoundly change behavior,
>> > but it is also true that manipulating contingencies of
>> > reinforcement can do so as well.
>> >
>> > "John H." <john at> wrote in message
>news:<3f20c50e at>...
>> > > There is a recent large West Australian study which found that
>> > > counselling in dealing with their difficult children reduced the drug
>> > > requirements and had very good effects in some children. Yes, there is
>> > > place for behavioural therapy but what I can't understand is why this
>> > > is so often ignored. Perhaps Mr. Sizemore can cast some light on this
>> > > strange abandonment.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > johnYYYcoe at
>> > >
>> > > remove YYY in reply
>> > > "Glen M. Sizemore" <gmsizemore2 at> wrote in message
>> > > news:6e2f1d09.0307240253.216373a7 at
>> > > > Behaviorists have been saying this for decades. I'm a little
>> > > > at hearing that what is essentially applied behavior analysis is
>> > > > referred to as a "breakthrough." Applied behavior analysis is
>> > > > certainly effective, but it is about 50 years old.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Jasbird <> wrote in message
>> Well this must be the way forward for these children then no more
>> repeat prescriptions of ritalin but lets invest in more behaviourists
>> and give plenty of support not only to the child but the family as a
>> whole.

David Longley

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