[Neuroscience] Re: why did humans grow a bigger neocortex?

John H. via neur-sci%40net.bio.net (by bingblat from goaway.com.au)
Fri Jul 20 00:28:50 EST 2007


Hello Glen,

You mean like,

20/07/2007 14:26




"Since the brain is unlike any other structure in the known universe, it
seeems reasonable to expect that our understanding of its functioning - if
it can ever be achieved - will require approaches that are drastically
different from the way we understand other physical systems."


The Brain: The Last Frontier. Restak, RM, Garden City, NY. Doubleday 1979

Now there's synchronicity for you, I just read that not ten minutes ago. Not
really happy with Restak's comment but I take his drift. I think it may
apply to more than just the brain, it seems to me that physiology in general
is loaded with multitudes of mysteries and that our understanding of
biological processes en masse requires a cognitive overhaual. So the problem
may be much deeper than I care to think about, which means I'm too stupid
for the task. I can see the problem but I can find no way of addressing it.

KK isn't giving much away about what he's up too. It is much more than you
suggest.

As to the demise of behaviorism I recall a conversation with an old friend
who spent much of his career treating brain injured people at a leading US
rehab hospital. I referred him to an article on a new therapy seemingly
based around behaviorist principles. He commented that while all the bells
and whistles technology may dominate the news releases and research, at the
clinical level it is common practice to invoke behaviorist style strategies
in treatment. So take some heart at least, behaviorist ideas are being
implemented at the coalface, where it counts. Of course my friend may be
biased, he worked with Catania ... .  However his thoughts are echoed in
Opening Skinner's box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth
Century(Lauren Slater). At the start of this text the author elaborates on
how much Skinner's ideas are spread throughout our cultural processes, from
prisons to traffic control. A tragic comedic aspect of this text is that she
did a Rosenhan and Szasz on some local psychiatric institutions and sadly
her little ad hoc experiments produced somewhat similiar results to those
rebellious souls.











"Glen M. Sizemore" <gmsizemore2 from yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "John H." <bingblat from goaway.com.au> wrote in message
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> > Hello Peter,
> >
> >
> > Yes, there is some very interesting stuff that this chap is coming up
> > with.
> > Even decortication can allow the animal to engage in quite complex
> > behaviors. The idea that consciousness is a "higher function" is just
> > dualism in disguise. Perhaps like yourself I don't believe in "all or
> > nothing consciousness". Actually these days I can't even clearly
> > distinguish
> > "consciousness" and awareness". We need a new way to understand all this
> > and
> > this chap is heading in the right direction.
>
> I disagree. Most of what he says is not new - indeed, the distinctions
> between implicit and explicit memories etc. shows that this stuff is old
> hat. What is needed is a conceptual overhaul of cognitive "science."
> Unfortunately, one exists (its called "behaviorism") already but has been
> largely ignored.
>
>
>
> > "Entertained by my own EIMC" <write_to_eimc from ozemail.com.au> wrote in
> > message
> > news:469e2344$0$12825$5a62ac22 from per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >> It looks like your list contains references that are might be
rationally
> >> aligned with the concepts of levels (and "lines") of consciousness (or
of
> >> actending or paying actention).
> >>
> >> ["1st-line, 2nd-line, and 3rd-line consciousness" are expression used
by
> >> Arthur Janov.]
> >>
> >> The normally naive, neglectful and nebulous (hollow-headed or empty)
> > meaning
> >> of "consciousness" will continue according to people's careless
ignorance
> >> and neglect of available relevant scientific facts - i.e. it will
> >> continue
> >> unless these facts become corroberated towards the formation of a
> >> subsumed
> >> crystaline (by definition 'in dEPTh') meaning.
> >>
> >> "konstantin kouzovnikov" <myukhome from hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mailman.292.1184611717.11350.neur-sci from net.bio.net...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "John H." <bingblat from goaway.com.au>
> >> >>To: neur-sci from magpie.bio.indiana.edu
> >> >>Subject: [Neuroscience] Re: why did humans grow a bigger neocortex?
> >> >>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:20:24 +1000
> >> >>
> >> >>It may be purely anatomical, standing upright, the skull base must be
> >> >>changed and that may allow some favourable changes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The following may contribute to the discussion:
> >> >
> >> > Merker B.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Consciousness without a cerebral cortex: A challenge for neuroscience
> > and
> >> > medicine.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):63-81.
> >> > PMID: 17475053 [PubMed - in process]
> >> >
> >> > Merker B.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Grounding consciousness: The mesodiencephalon as thalamocortical
base.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):110-20.
> >> > PMID: 17475081 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 5:
> >> > Watt DF.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Affirmative-action for the brainstem in the neuroscience of
> > consciousness:
> >> > The zeitgeist of the brainstem as a "dumb arousal" system.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):108-10.
> >> > PMID: 17475079 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 6:
> >> > van Honk J, Morgan BE, Schutter DJ.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Raw feeling: A model for affective consciousness.
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> >> > PMID: 17475078 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 7:
> >> > Panksepp J.
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> >> > Emotional feelings originate below the neocortex: Toward a
neurobiology
> > of
> >> > the soul.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):101-3.
> >> > PMID: 17475073 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 8:
> >> > Northoff G.
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> >> > Subcortical regions and the self.
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> >> > 9:
> >> > Izard C.
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> >> > Levels of emotion and levels of consciousness.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):96-8.
> >> > PMID: 17475068 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 10:
> >> > Edelman DB.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Consciousness without corticocentrism: Beating an evolutionary path.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):91-2.
> >> > PMID: 17475063 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 11:
> >> > Doesburg SM, Ward LM.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Corticothalamic necessity, qualia, and consciousness.
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):90-1.
> >> > PMID: 17475062 [PubMed - in process]
> >> > 12:
> >> > Coenen AM.
> >> > Related Articles, Links
> >> > Consciousness without a cortex, but what kind of consciousness is
this?
> >> > Behav Brain Sci. 2007 Feb;30(1):87-8.
> >> > PMID: 17475059 [PubMed - in process]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > konstantin
> >> >
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