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Erik J. Tiderman ejt1 at AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Fri Jul 14 01:15:20 EST 1995



On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 Dalibor.Stys at placebio.lu.se wrote:

> Dear friends, 
> I have got this letter and I did not sign it. I would like read it ind to read 
> and consider my comments to it before you decide to sign it.
> 
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>  1  SHIMIZU Seishi     Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  2  Yuichi Nishihara   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  3  Hirohisa TANIGUCHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  4  Takashi Tomoeda    Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  5  Tomoki KOBAYASHI   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  6  Munehito ARAI      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  7  Akira Okazaki      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
>  8  Atsushi Matsumura  Physics, Tohoku University, Japan
>  9  Kouta Yamamoto     Chemistry,Tohoku University,Japan
>  10 Yasushi UJIOKA     Degremont S.A., France
>  11 Toru Hara          Universite de Paris Sud, France
>  12 Rene Bakker        CEA - Sacley, France
>  13 David Garzella     Universite de Paris Sud, France
>  14 Henk Blok          Vrije Universiteit/NIKHEF, Amsterdam
>  15 Igor Passchier     NIKHEF, Amsterdam
>  16 Ard van Sighem     NIKHEF, Amsterdam
>  17 Johan Noordhoek    KOL Leiden
>  18 C.M.C.M. van Woerkens Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratory, Leiden
>  19 Annemarie Borst,   Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
>  20 Gijs Nelemans      Universiteit Utrecht
>  21 Susanne Buiter     Universiteit Utrecht
>  22 Yvo Kok            Paleomagnetic Lab., Utrecht
>  23 Thom Pick          Paleomagnetic Lab., Utrecht University
>  24 Dagmar Olbertz     Universiteit Utrecht
>  25 Eleonore Stutzmann Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris,
> France
>  26 Nicole Girardin    Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris,
> France
>  27 Francois Girardin  Ecole Nat. Sup. des
> Telecommunications,France
>  28 J.-P. Chaboureau   Lab. Meteorologie Dynamique,France
>  29 F. CHERUY          Lab. Meteorologie Dynamique, France
>  30 Herve Grenier      Universite Louvain-la-Neuve, Begium
>  31 Olivier Lai        Observatoire de Paris (Meudon), France
>  32 Christophe Dumas   Institute For Astronomy (USA) + Obs de
> Paris (France)
>  33 Alan Harris        Jet Propulsion Laboratory (USA)
>  34 David Rabinowitz   Carnegie Institution of Washington (USA)
>  35 Conel Alexander   Carnegie Institution of Washington (USA)
>  36 Sara Russell       Smithsonian Institution (USA)
>  37 David W Peate     University of Heidelberg, Germany
>  38 Nick Skelton	Genentech, Inc. (USA)
>  39 Mikael Akke		Columbia University, USA
>  40 Goran Carlstrom	University of Lund, Sweden
>  41 Erik Tiderman     Humboldt State University, USA
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> 
>   Dear Mesdames and Sirs,
> 
>    This is a chain letter to urge the french
>    government to stop nuclear tests.
>    If you agree with us, please add your name to the list above,
>    and send copies to your freinds.
>    We will add up the lists that had come back to us, and send it
>    to the French Government.
> 
>    If you happen to be the hundredth,two hundredth, three hundredth,
>    and so on, on the list, please send a copy of the mail back to the
>    addresses below, so that  we can keep track of this project. If you have
>    any comment please send mails to us. And also,
>    if you are multi-lingual and have friends who may not understand
>    English, please translate this message and add it to the end of  the mail.
>    Thank you very much.
> 
>   ******* addresses of the organizers
>   shimizu at femto.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
>   keshi at uticeaix1.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp <- please use this adress
>   *******
> 
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> 
> COMMENTS OF DALIBOR STYS, PLANT CELL BIOLOGY, LUND UNIVERSITY,SWEDEN
> 
> In my opinion, this letter is based on assumption that there is no point in 
> performing tests of modern nuclear weapons if not globally, than at least in the 
> case of France. There are many reasons why this assumption is not correct. 
> 
> 1) There is number of nations in the world who are allowed to have nuclear 
> weapons and in the same time allowed to kill their own citizens. Namely: China, 
> Pakistan, India, Russia and perhaps Iran, Iraq, North Korea, .... 
> 
> 2) There is little hope that democracy will spread rapidly into countries listed 
> in previous paragraph. Majority of these countries is poor and people there have 
> little or no access to information about foreign countries. On top of it, 
> democratic countries are very slow in helping democratic nations or movements. 
> Few recent examples from Europe: Czechoslovakia 1938, Hungary 1954, 
> Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1979, not speaking about Bosnia these days. Do you 
> really think that somebody would be willing to help democratic uprising in 
> China? 
> 
> 3) There is no guarantee that a rich democratic country will never turn into a 
> dictatorship. Examples after World War II - Czechoslovakia and Argentina. Thus 
> if only USA were left with advanced nuclear weaponry it would be a piece of cake 
> for a dictator to start negoatiation with the other dictators about division of 
> the planet. 
> 
> The argument about the democratic traditions is not quite valid. The democratic 
> tradition is a poorly defined term. The anglo-saxonic countries like to count 
> >from the 12th century, France likes to count from late 18th but there was couple 
> of bloody dictators in these countries since that. With exception of 
> Switzerland, the rest of Europe is in even worse situation. 
> 
> Having the previous arguments in mind, I decided that I strongly support 
> existence of several independent lines of development of advanced nuclear 
> weaponry in democratic countries. Perhaps, I am not so proud on mankind and not 
> so confident in its bright future. I think, however, that it might be usefull to 
> open the textbook of modern history time by time.
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Dalibor Stys
> 
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