Eitan Rubin bcrubin at
Sun Aug 4 04:19:55 EST 1996

I found your statement, "the more developed the being, the more 
sensitive it is" rather problematic. How do you define developed? If you 
define advanced by the number of expressed genes, for example, youy 
might find some plants should be more sensitive to pain than any animal.
  Plants are not more or less developed than animals.  However, they 
differ in at least one major factor, which has a major implication to 
their sensory systems: Nearly all plants do not make sudden movements; 
most cannot ritract their organs in response to damage, and none can run 
away.  They can send chemicals to the demage/threat region on the short 
term, and change their growth and gene expression pattern on a longer 
term, in response to an outside attack. However, since the rates of such 
responses are so different, you would have to stratch the definition of 
pain pretty far to include them.

   Eitan Rubin.

Michael L Roginsky wrote:
>Responding to you Bob, 10 years ago I did research in measuring
> electrical polarization of house plants when they reacted to soothing
> sounds and harsh ones. There's definitely a reaction, but technology
> was still on its knees, the 747 IC amp was my means of amplifying
> charge and current drift due to temp variation got mixed into the data.
> I had designed a circuit that continually corrected for drift using a
> reference input capacitor and a CMOS switch to "chopper stabilize".
> Today I inficted severe prunning to my apple trees and I could imagine
> it was felt. My theoretical intuition tells me all living beings have
> stimuli of pain, the more developed the being, the more sensitive it is
> to good and bad experiences. That's as far as I can take it, being a
> EE. Let me know what else you come across....cheers.....Micro, the only
> living one!

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