this the group for carnivorous plants??? q about SUPERTHRIVE

David Hershey dh321 at
Sat Oct 16 17:00:16 EST 1999

Currently, there are fourteen essential mineral nutrients for plants.
The six macronutrients are nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium,
magnesium, and sulfur. The eight micronutrients are iron, boron,
manganese, copper, zinc, molybdenum, chlorine, and nickel. No
deficiencies of chlorine and nickel have ever been seen under natural
conditions, just under experimental conditions where plant roots have
been grown in solutions treated to remove those elements. Plants also
need carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen but they are needed in such large
quantities that they are not considered with the mineral nutrients.

Some other elements are essential to some but not all plants. Sodium
appears essential for plants with C-4 photosynthesis. Silicon is
essential for Equisetum species (horsetails). Cobalt is essential for
symbiotic nitrogen fixation because it is required by the nitrogen
fixing bacteria. Some of these elements and others may be essential to
all plants but we cannot yet prove it. Vitamin B-12 contains cobalt so
applying B-vitamins would provide cobalt or perhaps other mineral
nutrients. The effect might also be indirect by improving growth of
beneficial soil fungi or bacteria. 

If B vitamins do improve root growth in certain situations, that does
not make them essential. You really need to look closely at the
experimental data, if any, that demonstrate that B-vitamins improves
root growth. There are a lot of gardening products on the market that
gardeners swear by that have no scientifically-proven benefits.  

David Hershey
dh321 at

Starbuck wrote:
> Well, if so, it wouldn't be the first time that I "blew" it.  I'm always
> willing to learn.
> I confess that I'm not familiar with the effects of B complex vitamins on
> plant growth.  Most of my study indicated that plants take in the three
> macro nutrients, and twelve micro nutients, plus maybe trace amounts of
> 20-30 other nutrients.  I haven't seen B vitamins listed.  If you have any
> published sources on that, either on the web or in print, then I'd certainly
> be interested in reviewing them for my own information.
> Steve Hinkson wrote in message <38058B19.D1DFAE8C at>...
> >Jerry:
> >Starbuck blew it this time.
> >Yes, vitamin B1 will help the plants re-establish after division.  And yes,
> >there is a great deal of research proving that the addition of B1 to soils
> >deficient in it greatly improves root
> >growth. As to Super-Thrive, it's just expensive B1 and iron.  The distilled
> >water and sphagnum or sphagnum peat used as a compost for the
> >North American carnivorous plants has NO vitamin B1 at all.
> >
> >And if the genera you're growing is Sarracinea, Drosera or Dionoea, Peter's
> >(or any other fertilizer) will kill them dead! (with the exception of a
> weak
> >mist, but even that is living dangerously)
> >
> >The ONLY cp you may fertilize are the Bromiliads, and Nepenthes.
> >Steve (H.)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>             my cp's are going dormant now but, in the spring i'll split
> >> them up and repot them,  Should i use SUPERTHRIVE  when repotting
> >> them??  is this a fertilizer?  how about  epiphytes delight?  anyone use
> >> this fert on cp plants???
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >

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