Eremocrinum: Where does it belong in Asparagales?

Cereoid* cereoid at
Thu Apr 18 19:59:24 EST 2002

Since Chase et al. (1996) didn't study the genus, they would just be
guessing about its position. In the paper, they were primarly interested in
Australian genera not the North American ones. Their circumscription of
Lomandraceae is completely heterogenous on the basis of flower, fruit and
seed chracters. The genera they include there fall into five very different
groups (=families?).

Why should Eremocrinum be removed from the Anthericaceae? Actually the genus
is close to Chlorophytum not Chlorogalum. Likewise, why should Leucocrinum
be included in the Anthericaceae? Leucocrinum is very different from the
genera in the Anthericaceae.

Your list doesn't include Hagenbachia, Diamena, Diora, Hemiphylacus &

Dasylirion, Nolina, Beaucarnea & Calibanus are in the Nolinaceae.

Convallaria, Maianthemum & Polygonatum are in the Convallariaceae not the

Including the bulbous genera Camassia, Chlorogalum, Hastingsia,
Hesperocallis & Schoenolirion in Agavaceae is ridiculous. The should be in a
separate family (Hesperocallidaceae Traub) if not the Hyacinthaceae.

The genera Hesperoyucca, Polianthes and Beschorneria also belongs in the

Also your Liliaceae is heterogenous. Only the genera Erythronium,
Fritillaria, Lilium and Lloydia represent the family in North America. The
other genera belong elsewhere.

caterpillar <amscutellata at> wrote in message
news:8bae3037.0204181253.399510b0 at
> Hi,
>   I'm an amateur botanist who's been trying to figure out how the
> family placement of North American plants has changed with the onset
> of all this molecular data.  Right now I'm looking everything that
> used to be placed in the Liliaceae, and oh what a mess it is!
>    I think  I've got all the genera in  place (see below), except for
> one.  The monospecific genus Eremocrinum of  Utah and Arizona was
> formerly included in the Anthericaceae.  According to the article by
> Mark W. Chase et al [1996.  New circumscriptions and a new family of
> asparagoid lilies: Genera formerly included in Anthericaceae. Kew
> Bulletin 51(4): 667-680], its position is unknown, although they do
> say that the species is  similar to Chlorogalum.  Does that mean that
> Eremocrinum  belongs with Chlorogalum at the base of  the Agavaceae?
> Has anyone run the DNA on Eremocrinum?
>    Here's what I've come to understand is the botanists' new
> understanding of family relationships in the Liliales and Asparagales
> (only families & genera  native to North America north of Mexico are
> listed):
>     Haemodoraceae (Lachnanthes) -  Now placed  in the Commelinales.
>     Nartheciaceae (Aletris, Lophiola, Narthecium) - Now placed in the
> Dioscoreales.
>     Tofieldiaceae (Harperocallis, Pleea, Tofieldia) - Now placed in
> the Alismatales.
> Order Liliales
>    Colchicaceae (Disporum, Uvularia)
>    Melanthiaceae (Amianthium, Chamaelirium, Helonias, Melanthium,
> Schoenocaulon, Stenanthium, Trillium, Veratrum, Xerophyllum,
> Zigadenus)
>    Liliaceae (Calochortus, Clintonia, Erythronium, Fritillaria,
> Lilium, Lloydia, Medeola, Scoliopus, Streptopus,
>    Smilacaceae (Smilax)
> Order Asparagales
>    Orchidaceae
>    Hypoxidaceae (Hypoxis)
>    Iridaceae (Hypoxis is now in Hypoxidaceae)
>    Tecophilaeaceae (Odontostomum)
>    Alliaceae (Allium, Nothoscordum)
>    Amaryllidaceae (Cooperia, Crinum, Habranthus, Hymenocallis,
> Zephyranthes)
>    Themidaceae (Androstephium, Bloomeria, Brodiaea, Dichelostemma,
> Milla, Muilla, Triteleia, Triteleiopsis)
>    Agavaceae (Agave, Camassia, Chlorogalum, Furcraea, Hastingsia,
> Hesperaloe, Hesperocallis, Manfreda, Schoenolirion, Yucca)
>    Anthericaceae (Echeandia, Leucocrinum)
>    Ruscaceae  (Convallaria, Dasylirion, Maianthemum, Nolina,
> Polygonatum)

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