Mr. W.Y. Chan
wahchan at liverpool.ac.uk
Tue Apr 2 10:31:02 EST 1996
Mr. W.Y. Chan (W.Y.Chan at LIVERPOOL.AC.UK) wrote:
: Forwarded message:
: > From lkista at unm.edu Fri Mar 29 16:28:01 1996
: > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:27:12 -0700 (MST)
: > From: Linnea Ista <lkista at unm.edu>
: > To: "Mr. W.Y. Chan" <W.Y.Chan at liverpool.ac.uk>
: > Subject: Re: Apology.
: > In-Reply-To: <199603290901.JAA26466 at uxa.liv.ac.uk>
: > Message-ID: <Pine.A220.127.116.110329091344.75816B-100000 at capella.unm.edu>
: > MIME-Version: 1.0
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: > On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Mr. W.Y. Chan wrote:
: > Okay, mate the gloves are off!
: > > Hi Linnea,
: > > I understand what you are saying and I have to repeat I was
: > > replying to the original poster and yes its was a traditional view he/she
: > > was stating which unfortunately still very much exist why so few women
: > > are in Computer Science or any science subject. I was not intended to cause
: > > an offense to you or anyone else by making my comment sound too generalise
: > > and I will take note of what I say in the future and I have already apoligised
: > > to the group (what do you want me to do, get on my knees and beg?).
: > Bullshit! Just because a view is traditional doesn't mean that it is
: > correct and should, therefore be heald non-offensive. The fact is you
: I did not say it was correct!
: > _did_ offend many people. As far as your proported apology, I do not
: > recall anything resemlling an apology, merely another "explanation" of
: > why you didn't really offend everyone.
: > > Also please dont take offense if I call someone "My dear", I know its not
: > > a politically correct term but I was being polite, its like calling someone
: > > "sunshine" as reference to an individual or " my old sport", these are
: > > all normal in everyday speaking in some part of northern England were
: > > people here are pretty friendly, so dont take it literally.
: > Being polite means not making other people uncomfortable. In an academic
: > forum, to use a term of endearment demeans the person to whom you are
: > speaking. This is the essence of the political correctness debate:
: > people have the right to be addressed in the manner which they want to be
: > addressed, ie politely. Calling someone "my dear" is noit polite! It is
: > condescending and downright rude.
: I dont ever recall the person I had spoken to made any complaint and it is
: your own view that you want to impose into the way we think and speak to
: each other. I may have understand how you feel but I do not wish to go along
: with you idealism.
: > I know this
: > > girl from the south of England who moved to the north
: > There you go again. If she is an adult she is a WOMAN, not a girl!
: My female colleges calls other men "lad", "guy", "feller", "bloke","geezer"
: > and she hated when
: > > the men folk calls here and other women "dear", "sweety", "darling" etc,
: > > hey some old lady in shopping centre calls me "love" and "sweetheart"
: > > we hear that over here everyday, we are friendly that all.
: > >
: > And yes you are absolutely right the women in this newgroup are very smart
: > > but its also one of the smallest group in netnews. One thing I would say is
: > > I do not find it wise when someone, man or woman, holds on the view that
: > > women has achieved what they wanted and already played a subsatntial role
: > > because I dont belive that is the case and
: > > to be honest I think there is still a long way to go.
: > > Women has achieved a lot recently but I do not think enough as achieved by
: > > them yet.
: > And why is that do you suppose? It is because we have not been given
: > equal opportunity by jerks like you who feel we are incapable of making
: > a contribution!!! And by those men who feel that that have to make no
: > accomodation to having us in your midst. If you don't believe me you may
: > want to pay close attention to the posts about the things that we have to
: > put up with from our male colleagues, rather than posting immflamatory
: > comments of your own to get a rise out of us. You may actually learn
: > something if you open your eyes and heart and try and walk in our shoes
: > for awhile
Just one more thing. I don't wish to get involve in that sort of stuff,
you know what people might say...:)
: Linnea, I have already learned something from you.
: I find you are one of the most irrational individual I have spoken to,
: you are deeply offensive, ignorant, very rude.
: I find your stereotyping of men typical to that of someone who clearly
: do not reason with reality.
: And please do not email me if you have nothing sensible to say.
: > Please do not write me anything else, I will not read it. If I do am a
: > likely to get very rude in return!!!!
: > Most uncordially yours,
: > Linnea
: > >
: > > Wah.
: > >
: > >
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