professionalism, women, and Oprah!
Susan Jane Hogarth
sjhogart at unity.ncsu.edu
Thu Dec 19 14:43:29 EST 1996
Jeanhee Chung wrote:
> At any rate, it seems to me that this discussion can be anything...
> Here, I'll throw a few questions into the ring:
> (1) I read somewhere about a "pink-collar ghettoization" occurring in
> the biological sciences, where many women get stalled working as
> technicians,or as post-docs, research associates, etc. where their male
> counterparts go on to graduate school, get assistant professorships,
> tenure. In real life, it does seem like most career techs are women, most
> tenured professors are men.
> Are the causes of this inequality still present? Some of it is
> the result of social forces in action a generation ago... but are
> young women students failing to get their degrees out of
> proportion to young male doctoral candidates? Are female postdocs today
> still failing to get jobs out of proportion to the number applying? Are
> female assistant professors failing to get tenure out of proportion to the
> number seeking tenure? Is the proportion of woman scientists _seeking_
> advancement out of whack? What can we do about this?
<Susan throws some fat on the fire>
I wonder if maybe the fact that *only* women carry babies might have a
little something to do with this? It *does* take a bit of time and
energy, after all ;-)
> (2) I'm trying to separate out how much of today's "discrimination" at the
> higher levels of academia is institutional and how much is the result of
> the different socialization of men and women.
> For instance, yesterday I wanted to review some statistical
> theory. Instead, I spent time making my famous coffee cake for a lab
> party, and also did a lot of errands like taking out the garbage,
> Christmas shopping, and caring for an ailing parent. It seemed
> like I never had a moment to do what I wanted to do-- my life
> was constrained by other people's needs. Meanwhile, my significant other
> went to lab and did some experiments. I was cursing myself as I ground
> nuts for the coffee cake topping--next time I'm bringing soda.
> It's all these stupid choices that may bring me down, I'm afraid.
> Yet it seems to me that I can't be happy neglecting my family and other
> interests. Like a lot of other woman students, I seem to have priority
> conflicts that my male peers choose to ignore. In the end, I wouldn't mind
> a rounded-out life, not all science, -- which is the conclusion that a
> lot of career techs and second-string female scientists seem to have
<sigh> I'm struggling with this, too. My prof is being very patient (so
far), but, oddly enough, my *husband* keeps trying to push me back into
the lab. He says "sure it's nice to have clean clothes, but don't you
need to get some things done in the lab?" ;-) I think your emphasis on
these conflicts being the result of _choice_ is good; it's something
many of us struggle with, but most of the struggle is internal - at
least for this generation.
> But then again, I know that I could kick ass if I work up to my
> full potential! Is there anyone out there who's got it all? What's your
> secret? Can it be conveyed to people with average metabolisms, who need
If you find an answer, let me know! I sure as hell would like to give up
*needing* to sleep!
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