spelling....knowledge (fwd)

Neva Morales nmorales at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
Mon Nov 17 14:23:43 EST 1997



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:47:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Cherryl Ann Premdass <cap202 at is5.nyu.edu>
To: Neva Morales <nmorales at acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: spelling....knowledge (fwd)

Hey be my guess and send it, by the way I did ask you for the infor on
that!



On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Neva Morales wrote:

> wonderful words of wisdom!....you should be part of this bioserver!
> 
> On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Cherryl Ann Premdass wrote:
> 
> > She makes an interesting point-that education is currently being look upon
> > as a privelege of the rich. Unfortunately, on many levels that is true.
> > Just take for instance the collosal cost of graduate education. In light
> > of that, I still feel that those that frown upon well-educated individual
> > are (1) covertly envious of their achievement or (2) envious of the wealth
> > that is stereotypically associated with that education.
> > 
> > The truth of the matter is, there is a major percentage of graduate
> > students who are not finacial secure, but see education as a bridge not
> > only to intellectual strength, but finacial security.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Neva Morales wrote:
> > 
> > > i thought this was  a little interesting.
> > > 
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: 17 Nov 1997 07:40:03 -0800
> > > From: Julia Frugoli <JFRUGOLI at bio.tamu.edu>
> > > To: womenbio at net.bio.net
> > > Subject: Re: spelling....knowledge
> > > 
> > > (SNIP)
> > > >
> > > >And so we have students who are only interested in material they are 
> > > >going
> > > >to be graded on.  And students who can't spell or put a sentence 
> > > >together
> > > >because they don't read on their own anymore.  They don't read and
> > > >therfore can't write.  And most infuriating of all, they are not 
> > > >students
> > > >at college, feeling priviledged for being there---they are consumers
> > > >shelling out big bucks for an education; their professors are education
> > > >providers in the way doctors and nurses are health-care providers.  As
> > > >such they feel completely free to demand maximum quality for their 
> > > >buck. 
> > > >And to their way of thinking, this means being able to call a professor
> > > >and leave the message that they would like him to return their call!  
> > > >They
> > > >feel completely at ease holding a TA responsible for their own bad 
> > > >grades
> > > >on an exam or a lab report.  They feel that if they failed to perform
> > > >well, then it is the problem of the provider, that the provider did not 
> > > >do
> > > >his or her job, and that they, as consumers, have every right to demand
> > > >better performance.  
> > > >
> > > >I am not sure what the answer is.  How do you instill a love of 
> > > >learning? 
> > > >I don't know but I think that even in the last 10 years, we've gone a 
> > > >long
> > > >way towards losing whatever instilled it in the first place. I'd love 
> > > >to
> > > >hear from people as to how they think it might be possible to make it 
> > > >cool
> > > >to be an intellectual again.  How do you make it cool to be well-read, 
> > > >to
> > > >have a great vocabulary?  When did being well-eduacted and literate 
> > > >become
> > > >intellectual snobbery?  And how do we turn that around?
> > > >
> > > >                     
> > >                                           Alice
> > > >
> > > IMHO-
> > > 
> > > The problem comes from the way colleges today attract students.  We tell 
> > > students that a college education gets them a good job.  Few come to 
> > > learn; they come so they can earn more money.  Pre-meds used to be the 
> > > worst because they came to college only to get to medical school; now 
> > > they are joined by pre-law,business  and engineering majors who only 
> > > want to get that job... Colleges send out brochures telling how 
> > > successful their alumni are, and so the process of higher education is 
> > > seen not as a priviledge one earns and  can lose, but as a service one 
> > > pays  for.  I certainly support the ideal of higher education being 
> > > accessible to all, but when I look at some of my husbands' students at a 
> > > public institution, who 35 years ago couldn't even have gotten into 
> > > college because their ability to read is questionable, I wonder if we're 
> > > doing them any favors.  They don't care-it's just a stop along the way 
> > > to the job that will buy them the car and the stereo 2 levels  above the 
> > > one they  own now.  And they certainly don't improve much over the 
> > > course of 4 years in reading/writing ability (one can get into some 
> > > Texas colleges without even passing the TAAS test-a basic test for high  
> > > school graduation that it suppossed to measure the ability to read and 
> > > write at the 12th grade level.  Interestingly, one can  also teach high 
> > > school in  Texas without being able to pass  this test, but that's 
> > > another thread....) It makes  the degree more and  more meaningless.
> > > 
> > > This is not  to disparage the  gems of students both my husband and I 
> > > have seen over the  years.  There will always be people who love to 
> > > learn.  As long as they get the same "reward" (grade, diploma) as those 
> > > who couldn't care less, I  think we all feel "something's rotten in 
> > > Denmark."
> > > 
> > > We turn out "college  graduates" who  can't  read, write, do math, or 
> > > seperate psuedoscience from fact because of the pressure to produce a 
> > > product-a graduate.  As long as academia at the administrative level 
> > > consciously or unconsciously sells education this way, things won't 
> > > change.
> > > 
> > > Way too cynical  for a Monday morning,
> > > *****************************************************
> > > Julia Frugoli
> > > Dartmouth College
> > > 
> > > visiting grad student at
> > > Texas A&M University
> > > Department of Biological Sciences
> > > College Station, TX 77843
> > > 409-845-0663
> > > FAX 409-847-8805
> > > 
> > > "Evil is best defined as militant ignorance."        
> > > 																										Dr. M. Scott Peck*****************************************************
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 




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