Getting hazy

[bmartin at utmem1.utmem.edu]

In article <35A3C5B1.9F83C0B2 at nospamsalk.edu>, forsburg at nospamsalk.edu wrote:

> Caroline J. Walker (walkerc at CLEMSON.EDU)

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> > It was amusing that some posters in
> > the somewhat pro-hazing side are considering themselves misinterpreted and
> > at the same time posing the question of "shouldn't I tell my student when
> > they are wrong or if they are lazy?". This is a classic defense of hazing
> > (I live in SC so we get to hear this stuff a lot) by making it sound like
> > the only alternative to hazing is to never reprimand or criticise!
> 
> My job is not to withold criticism and make excuses and build  
> self esteem;  I'm educating professional scientists, not elementary school
>  children.  Make no mistake, this is a  profession, as in, 
> professionals, as in, grown ups.  I still believe that criticism
> is an important as praise (not in place of, but alongside of), and
> that learning how to deal with confrontation is essential.
> 
> But, apparently that makes me a hazer, so I will now withdraw from this 
> thread and go beat my graduate students.

This is exactly what Caroline was citing.  No post has suggested that
criticism be withheld.  No post has equated criticism with hazing.  It is
the manner by which the criticism is delivered.  Nobody has claimed to be
educating elementary school children.  

Surprisingly, you SEEM to be becoming defensive when your views are
challenged. I would have thought you would welcome a healthy discussion.  

B. Martin