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Sorry, please replace my previous message (in which the reference of the book wasn't quite accurate)<div>by this one.<br>Philippe Herbomel<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dear Oliver,<div><br></div><div>Body length appears indeed to be the adequate, simple parameter for estimating postembryonic developmental stage.</div><div>Our reference in this matter is Tom Schilling's excellent chapter on "The morphology of larval and adult zebrafish" (pp. 59-94 In "Zebrafish: A Practical Approach." 2002, eds. C. Nusslein-Volhard and R. Dahm, Oxford Univ. Press), in which Table 2 provides a typical correspondence between "age" and body length" up to 90 days.</div><div>In their study of the development and maturation of the immune system in zebrafish, Lam et al. ( Dev. Compar. Immunol. 28 : 9-28, 2004) also described this maturation relative not only to age but also to body length (see Discussion), which is obviously more significant and helpful. You will see that they give the same correspondence between age and body length as Tom Schilling at 2 weeks but not at 4 weeks.</div><div>Interestingly, an older paper comparing the role of thyroid hormone in zebrafish (vs. axolotl) metamorphosis, i.e. their gradual transformation form larvae into juveniles, also used body length to express the developmental stages (Brown D., PNAS 94 : 13011-16, 1997).</div><div><br></div><div>This is obviously an important issue, and certainly all zebrafish studies dealing with stages past the first week of development should refer to body length in addition to or instead of nominal age.</div><div>Also, the community should agree about how to measure that length. In Figure 1 and Table 2 of his chapter refered above, Tom Schilling provided two different measurements : 'Full length' i.e. up to the tip of the caudal fin, and 'standard length', ie up to the base of the caudal fin.</div><div><br></div><div>I wasn't at the last Madison meeting but since there was a workshop there about "working with post-embryonic stages", maybe this staging issue was raised ? 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dear All.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have been working on aspects of postembryonic development in the zebrafish brain, and have been trying to determine a standard method for 'aging' zebrafish. As many of you may be aware, the development of individual fish varies greatly during the first month of development, which ultimately leads to very noticeable differences in the size of individual fish and their organs.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thus, age does not accurately characterize developmental stages of fish, and I have been trying to determine if there's another standard method to do so. Has anyone tried to correlate body length to fish age? Are there any citations for expected / optimal size of fish are a certain age?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Any input regarding this problem would be greatly appreciated.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Best,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Oliver Braubach</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Department of Physiology and Biophysics</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dalhousie University</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Halifax, NS B3H 1X5 Canada</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Tel: 902.494.6471</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Fax: 902.494.1685</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Zbrafish mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Zbrafish@net.bio.net">Zbrafish@net.bio.net</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/zbrafish">http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/zbrafish</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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