In article <363f9ca5.89376972 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
<johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 2 Nov 1998 20:47:59 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>Hogan) wrote:
>>>In article <363ce241.84284241 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:26:27 GMT, gmc0 at ix.netcom.com (George M.
>>>Carter) wrote:
>>>>>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Vaccination-induced seropositivity is NOT the same as
>>>>infection-induced seropositivity.
>>>Vaccination-induced seropositivity is NOT the same as
>>>>infection-induced seropositivity.
>>>How do you know? How do you know?
>>>>Because he reads the literature. It really helps in understanding.
`>Because he can, excuse me, "read"?
Once again, your command of the material, and thoughtful analysis
show through.
>>>>>> (There are many different kinds of
>>>>vaccines, including whole-killed, live but disabled, subunit and other
>>>>varieties; the "live but disabled" variety (my terms)
>>Actually, for the vaccines currently in trials, there *is* a distinctive
>>and unique wester blot associated with vaccination. This is because no
>>vaccine is using whole HIV, but just incomplete collections of antigens.
>Absolutely bogus. No vaccine and you already got the wester(sic) blot
>for it!
What the hell are you talking about? There are at least two vaccines
rapidly appproaching phase III (VaxSyn and Remune), and *dozens* in
phase I trials.
>>>>>How will the test be
>>>able to tell, with certaintly, that the seropositive status is from
>>>"non-neutralizing" antibodies(I just love that term, it's so
>>>"grounding") or the real McCoy? Obviously the only way one will know
>>>for sure is if they don't develop AIDS. Isn't that special?
>>>>It's not true, is what it is. See the above.
>see the above
Your ignorance of the existing clinical trials doesn't mean they
don't exist - try http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu and use the "trialfinder"
to get sites, eligibility, etc for the current vaccine trials in the US.
Not even mentioning the trials going on in Africa, Thailand, etc.
>Isolation of the HIV retrovirus hasn't been accomplished(remember the
>$1 million dollar reward in Continuum. So, even if, if it caused
>AIDS, which it obviously doesn't, how are you going to make the proper
>antigen for the vaccine?
Funny: your hero, Duesberg claims it *has* been isolated, and tried to
collect the prize. The folks at continuum "moved the goalposts" and
screwed him over.
Carlton
