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>>To: neur-sci at net.bio.net>>From: <Unknown at net.bio.net> (jeroen)
>>Subject: CAN PLANTS FEEL......PAIN??????
>>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:42:32 -0300
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>>>>Please help me.
>>>>I'm a dutch med-student at the University of Leuven in Belgium and I'm a
>>bit confused. I know that plants got at least 5 major 'hormones', some
>>of them being secreted when in a 'life' threatning situation. I do know
>>plants lack any form of nervous system, but if you think of it: nerve cells
>>are more or less like normal cells (they also got a membrane potential,
>>only they can't fire...action-potentials)...In short what do I say to
>>somebody attacking my vegan life style with this???????
>> Dear Jeroen: In answer, wait only some 400 million years. Many groups
>of Planta & Fungi are presently developing potential patterning
>structures. Since our local tradition is hylozoist -perhaps you read our
>former postings- we find no difficulty in conceiving the natural selection
>of mechanisms for differentially producing non-structural, one-witness
>characterizations making interactive the holographic-like forms defined
>by such patterning ("objects"), just as forwarded by Prof. Christfried
>Jakob's important models since 1906 in South America (you have some
>books of him in Leuwen, in Med. Faculty and in the Jan van der Hoeven
>Stichting f. theor. Biologie -Groenhovenstrasse-, where Prof. Jeuken was
>most interested in them). Of course you live amid a different academic
>medium, and not to offend some societal values such prospective is to
>be deemed scandalous. We understand Leuwen as specially
>backwardish in this regard and just to cope with it Prof. Jeuken tried
>some moves, unfortunately aborted; but this is not the place to dwell
>upon them. In our hylozoist academic tradition, conversely, it is
>absolutely expectable. Please read again my previous postings to this
>list (I believe they are automatically available through the <biosci-
>server at net.bio.net> via WAIS; contact <biosci-help at net.bio.net> for
>further help; I don't know if these previous postings of mine to this and
>other biosci lists are indexed under my name, or instead -more probably-
>under Administrador del Nodo. See Biosci/Bionet Frequently Asked
>Questions: "How do I find back issues of Biosci postings?"). Of course
>the views of our tradition are not shared by most colleagues abroad
>(though industrial furtherance requires them; this is another question
>regarding the forthcoming evolution of neurosciences -and also of
>physics- of which we are most acutely aware), but this is due to the
>peculiar conceptual itinerary locally followed here, upon more than a
>century of mostly isolated neurobiological elaboration.
> Not nonce, but probably sundry of times the differential production of
>such one-witness non-structuralities (emotions, perceptualities, etc.) was
>selected in different phyla, more or less apart from the Proterozoic
>plantal ancestors. Glial-like, graduate potentials already exist in Planta.
>Don't forget that in the 60's one major contribution of our tradition was
>the formal homology between the interference mechanisms of ciliary
>control in Proterozoic Ciliata and the holographic-holophonic-like
>reverberations patterning the (interactive) objects contents at the
>sentient parenchymae of the brain... We are simply plants that trade off
>photosynthesis for feelings to thrive away of thermodynamic equilibrium
>(and if as a future MD at a chiefly Catholic environment you become
>preoccupied by the personhood, let me mention that in this schematized
>scene it has its lieu via the problematics of the cadacualtez or
>Jemeinigkeit, completely aside of the natural sciences' research but also
>afar of the philosophical and theological categories previously
>instrumented to apprehend it).
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>Health & Welfare, Argentine Republic; and
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Prof. Mariela Szirko,
<postmaster at neubio.sld.ar>
Centro de Investig. Neurobiologicas, Ministry of
Health & Welfare, Argentine Republic; and
Lab. of Electroneurobiological Res.,
Hospital "Dr. Jose Tiburcio Borda", Municipality of Buenos Aires,
Office: Phone/Fax (54 1) 306 -7314
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