Ah, at last, something testable. I don't have the time or the
motivation for it, but someone who would like to do a quick survey of
journals 1975-1983 can tell us how many people in this period were
saying that the hippocampus was a place where memories were stored. If
textboooks were no longer saying it, this would be a sharp refutation
of Ken's prescience; if some were saying it was, I'd not take it
seriously, because textbooks are always behind the times.
I don't know when poor HM had his surgery, but I kinda think it was
before that period, and he is of course the poster boy for the case
against hippocampus being where memories "are".
Meanwhile, what on earth is Ken saying near the bottom of this pathetic
history? At first, I thought he was asserting that ALL Neuroscience
papers were false; but on re-reading his two assertions, I have come to
think that he is saying: "All neuroscience papers are false except for
the ones that are true; and if they are true, I can find a differentt
way to get the same resultts." Maybe he'd like tto cite one of each,
and show us just exactly how he'd do both of these things (in 1.5Meg or
less).
F. LeFever
In <esZfk4k1#GA.294 at cpmsnbbsa05> "Ken Collins" <KPaulC at email.msn.com>
writes:
>>the incorrect view was solidly entrenched in the literature when i was
in
>'grad school' in 1975-6.
>>i definitely had it wrong in a 'comic book' i sent out, but don't
recall
>when i sent it out... (i did a 'comic book' in an effort to present
the
>ideas in a, hopefully, curiosity-invoking format).
>>i'd have to dig it out and reread it, but i think had it wrong in my
1980
>paper, _Why: Human Behavior_ (which was the precursor to AoK, and
treating
>the hippocampi as a 'recorder' was the only major error that i recall
as
>being(?) in that paper).
>>i had it right by the 'time' of my 1983 presentation at the Naval
Research
>Laboratory.
>>i'd have to check my papers to narrow it down more.
>>it might 'surprise' you, but i don't spend a lot of 'time' keeping
track of
>individuals who've 'borrowed' my work... and i'm not your 'research
>assistant'. if you've a Q in Physics, which is what i've been working
in for
>the past decade, i'll be glad to provide refs.
>>i did what i had to do in Neuroscience. it's never been formally
published.
>>i've thought more about my 'nausea' comments, the other night, and in
the
>past... it's 'just' a cop-out, 'dramatic' way of saying that i can
say, with
>certainty, that there will never be a Neuroscience paper with respect
to
>which:
>>1. i cannot redesign the experimental method, and make predictions
that will
>be verified.
>>2. or that i can demonstrate is incorrect.
>>by invoking the 'short-cut', 'nausea', i was just trying to convey the
sense
>of 'frustration' that i experience when i go in the Neuroscience
stacks, see
>all the disconnected stuff, know that it's all connectable, but
'there's no
>use' in working to connect anything in it... because no one will
listen, or
>understand, anyway.
>>ken collins
>>flefever wrote in message <7n8os6$l7o at dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>...
>>>>Well, when DID you say the hippocampus was not for "storeing"
memories
>>and everybody else was saying it was. Was it in 1986? Before 1986?
>>Can you ESTIMATE the date? What was the EARLIEST possible date?
(i.e.
>>when did you first start saying or writing this stuff?) How much
>>longer DID everybody else persist in saying the hippocampus was for
>>"storeing" memories? (can you name one or two of these people?)
>>>>F. LeFever
>>>>In <euMeIXA1#GA.274 at cpmsnbbsa02> "Ken Collins" <KPaulC at email.msn.com>
>>writes:
>>>>>>beyond AoK, which was first circulated in 1986, i don't care to look
>>through
>>>my papers, Frank. I've preserved everything... anyone who wants to
>>look can
>>>see for themselves how the concepts developed.
>>>>>>i am certain that, when i started circulating AoK, it was as i
stated
>>in the
>>>prior msg... to get folks in Neuroscience thinking-straight with
>>respect to
>>>it was one of the biggest battles i had to fight.... one doesn't
>>easily
>>>"forget" such, and the scars accumulated while doing it.
>>>>>>ken collins
>>>>>>F. Frank LeFever wrote in message
>><7n677k$5j8 at dfw-ixnews16.ix.netcom.com>...
>>>>>>>>Just what was the date when you said the hippocampus doesn't store
>>>>memories and everybody else said it did? (The theoretical
statements
>>of
>>>>"the others" are publicly documented and dated; are yours?)
>>>>[...]
>>>>>>>>>>
