PF wrote in message ...
>Hi Ken!
>>"Kenneth Collins" <k.p.collins at worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:cIu39.19946$pg2.1603487 at bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...><snip>
>> BTW, I long-ago discussed evolutionary dynamics, reducing them
>> to WDB2T, in sci.bio.evolution.
><snip>
>> Is it 'evasiveness' to 'hold open the door' to folks who are
>> obviously Victims of 'the Beast', Abstract Ignorance, or is it
>> apriori Forgiveness.
><snip>
>> In the end, it's why I Acknowledge Jesus' Priority.
fairly-large reingineering of context, via the 'snips', no?
Yup.
So, I'll fill-in-the-'blanks', a bit.
Reducing evolutionary dynamics to WDB2T does not, somehow,
'constitute' an 'elimination' of Hand-of-God Stuff.
Even in the case of Miracles, such as those attributed to Jesus by
first-person witnesses who Chose to endure horrible deaths rather
than deny what they'd Seen through their own eyes, if a Miracle is
ever to be 'experienced', it's stuff must, somehow, comingle with the
physical reality of nervous systems.
And that's where one can be Certain that WDB2T is involved.
But, Miracles being Miracles - 'super-natural' stuff - WDB2T is
insufficient for their explanation.
All one can say, with Certainty is, that if a Miracle is , in fact,
experienced - recognized as actually-happening within physical
reality - then WDB2T is in-there.
One cannot 'explain' the Miracle in terms of WDB2T.
One can only explain how it is that it must be in-there because, one
can explain the physical cross-correlation of WDB2T and nervous
system function.
What 'fills-in-the-blanks', for me, is that I presume that the
Witness, given by folks [simple fishermen, lacking any rationale for
'fabrication', nevertheless Chose to endure horrible deaths, rather
than deny what they'd Witnessed.
So, my anawer to your 'buzzz' is that although I can't explain beyone
WDB2T, I Believe beyond WDB2T, because of the stalwart-to-the-end
Witness of these simple folks, and, as it happened in my own
experience, because of the jaw-hanging Wonder inherent in having
worked-like-a-dog, for ~ a decade, to knit-together the work of the
Neuroscience Experimentalists, only to See, in the Words attributed
to Him, that Jesus was, ~2000 years ago, saying all the important
stuff to which the work of the experimentalists points.
I cannot 'explain' how such could be. I only See Worthy-of-Belief
stuff in-there.
Then, it becomes a matter of not 'denying' what I've Seen through my
own eyes.
Which is often Hard-to-do, but I Do-it, See?
Because, Honor Truth, and Truth Honors you right back.
Makes all the difference, even with respect to physically-real WDB2T
that our nervous systems innately observe.
Have i filled-in the blanks sufficiently?
I cannot 'explain' God.
I've just Believe, with Reason to do so.
>>This your "reducing" is THE problem, IMO.
>It is a very big part of what makes
>your 'theoretical take' (on how we are) roughly *as short of* the
same
>specific understanding as what is 'most
>MISSING' in all of Science and Philosophy (and of course in
Religions, and
>'common sense thinking', as well).
>>And so, it can be seen, and understood, to exemplify the reality of
>"AEVASIVE"!
>>Briefly (as if putting out a bate) about AEVASIVE:-
>>We evolved mechanisms that allow us to be both "productive" (and off
course
>ultimately reproductive) and at least in part protective also of our
>selves -- including protective of our sanity.
>>Some of these our self-protective
>and productive mechanisms are entirely automatic and are being put
into
>effect (or acting) in almost one 'functionally structural' (or
>'structional') stroke, so to speak. The "mechanisms" that are thus,
are by
>me evolution-theoretically explained and 'concept-captured' by means
of a
>relatively simple principle (which I label along the lines of
>"*ambi-advantageously* adaptive mutations"). Or IOW, according to
this
>principle, plus only a few auxilliare concepts, can the phylogenetic
origin
>of these mechanisms be *broadly* explained and grasped.
>>AEVASIVE is a pragmatically contrived acronym that by the thoroughly
defined
>meanings of its conceptual
>components (what it stands for starts with "Ambi-advantageously
Evolved"),
>and by its overall "look and feel", takes into account:
>>1. How these basically automatic (and innate)
>mechanisms evolved (explained mainly by way of a very simple
>'Darwin-aligned' principle);
>>2. That and how they are still environmentally required for
>survival, and
>work [represented within the acronym by a strategically constructed
mention
>(it ends with "Endoopiates") of the much written about "opioid
family" of
>neurochemicals] in an 'intra-systemic' role within each our
"Actention
>(selecting) System" (~=brain or nervous system);
>>3. The psychobehavioral and cultural significance of these
mechanisms are
>implicitly incorporated.
>>Peter
>>--
>This post of mine was, as my posts almost always are, stingily
sponsored by
>EAIMC Internetional Ptd. Lty., and *not just* jotted in justifiable
though
>author-image jeopardizing jester, but - by jove! - also with some
equally
>well warranted serious intent.
Let's see what's in NDT with respect to "evasiveness", if not
"AEVASIVE"-ness [which I sense that I do not sufficiently comprehend.
"Finitization" [AoK, Ap4; to make this or that that's experienced
finite] occrus via TD E/I-minimization within nervous systems.
As is discussed in AoK, Ap7, there is an experientially-modifiable TD
E/I threshold [the "volitional diminishing-returns decision
threshold"] at which "affective inversion" occurs with respect to
this or that that's correlated within a person's experience.
"The wolf", being unable, through all its efforts, to reach "the
grapes", "inverts" from 'moving toward' attaining "the grapes", to
'moving away from' attaining "the grapes", and 'justifies' its
'decision' by "calling the grapes, 'Sour, anyway'".
Within it's nervous system, "the wolf's" 'decision is just a
topologically-distributed energy-flow-inversion, in which
[idealized-case] there's a 'one-bit' change, and all directionality
inherent "inverts" in accord with this one-bit modification.
That which was formerly "finitized" via manifestation of behavioral
by-products that 'move toward' "the grapes" transforms to being
"finitized" via manifestation of behavioral by-products that 'move
away from' "the grapes", and affective-alignment goes from
'subjectively-good' to 'subjectively bad'.
The same sort of thing happens, in a way that incorporates, more or
laee, all of an individual's experience, continuously within the
manifestation of the behavioral by-products of TD E/I-minimization,
but, because the totality of one's experience is, more or less,
incorporated, the "inversion", although still basically a one-bit
'operation', takes the form of a complex transformation that occurs
over a 'time' course that's commensurate with the scope of what's
integrated within the "inversion".
That is, within the manifestation of TD E/I-minimized behavioral
by-products, some stuff that was formerly 'subjectively good' will
transform to being 'subjectively bad', while other stuff that was
formerly 'subjectively bad' will transform to being 'subjectively
good', to a degree of 'complexity' that's commensurate with the
quantity of experience that's involved.
It's a Hard problem that the mechanism of volition [AoK, Ap7],
nevertheless 'resolves' in real-time because the mechanism of
volition has been working to maintain 'appropriate' TD E/I-minimized
cross-correlations all along. [That it's a Hard problem is why,
typically, "prefrontal force" only blossoms, observably, during
~adolescence [with respect to which there's probably a TD
E/I-minimization-dependent, two-way correlation with hormonal
effector-activation - the establishment of 'survival-sufficient'
"prefrontal force" is measurable in terms of 'historical' TD
E/I-trend, and when 'survival-sufficiency' TD E/I-trend is attained,
such probably 'triggers' pubescent hormonal release, which, in turn,
acts-back upon the nervous system, "carving-it-in-stone", 'bidding'
it to transform from emphasizing 'development' of new behavioral
'tools' to emphasizing 'use' of the behavioral 'tools' that've been
developed. The 'carving-in-stone' is rigorously correlated to the
"volitional diminishing-returns decision" threshold TD
E/I-'set-point, and can be 're-considered' when 'traumatic'
experiential dynamics are experienced [which, for instance, is what
underpinned the realizing-that-we-need-each-other behavioral
transformation that happened in New York subsequent to the Tragedy of
2002-9-11. The 'softening' of behavioral dynamics correlates with a
TD E/I(up)-induced "invrsion" back to a more 'child-like' emphasis
upon development of new behavioral 'tools'. And, if the
experimentalists look, they'll find all that's here, in-there,
including hormonal-release stuff tied-to TD E/I.]]
Anyway, if I'm getting the gist of what you're saying, Peter, the
'evasiveness' [not "AEVASIVE"-ness] that's often in-there derives in
folks' nervous systems' 'taking-short-cuts' to within volitional TD
E/I-minimization.
The Tyranny of the 'status quo' is enforced in accord with
'rule-sets' that derive in shared-familiar-experience ["consensus"],
and which take the form of "prefrontal constellations" that
physically-embody those consensual-rule-sets.
Manifestation of behavior in accord with such consensual-rule-sets
often includes superficial 'moving toward' in the midst of deep
'moving away from' that which violates the consensual-rule-sets.
That's how 'evasiveness' happens.
There's a much-more-Difficult, much-more-Consequential, and
much-more-'Invisible' form of such experientially-acquired
consensual-rule-set stuff.
It takes the form of "prefrontal constellations" that function to
'blind' the nervous system to itself, which enables the nervous
system to 'ignore' Truth with respect to itself.
This's is the most-significant reason why the nervous system's
functioning wasn't reified, from a behavioral perspective, at least
500 years ago.
The correlated "prefrontal constellations" are where 'the Beast',
Abstract Ignorance, Lives, flesh of folks' flesh.
And, if one looks, one'll see, as you have, Peter, that I have been
"evasive" with respect to such, wanting not to 'provoke-its-ire' too
much, while I, nevertheless, have guided folks [within diverse
experiential domains] back-and-forth through it's stuff, gradually
rendering that which was 'Invisible', Visible.
Like what happens when folks do grave-stone 'etchings'.
With each pass of the 'graphite'-stuff, that which is beneath
transfers to that which is superficially-apparent.
With each 'pass' of what I do, Truth, re. nervous system function,
augments, and "the Beast's" existence diminishes.
Eventually, 'the Beast' will 'poof'-outa-there.
And the Savagery inherent in the 'blind'-automation it's inflicted,
throughout the course of 'human' history, will "go-away".
Leaving Humanity "Free at last!" [Martin Luther King].
k. p. collins
