"Joseph A Nagy Jr" <pagan_prince at charter.net> wrote in message
news:3D5C8DA6.3060908 at charter.net...
> >Or maybe
> > more importantly, why would forty percent of both men and women believe
that
> > men and women are of equal intelligence?
> >
>> Because they ARE? Aside from actual IQ's (which on average DROPS as you
include more people in your
> sample), intelligence is just not street or book smarts, but a combination
of being able to deal in
> a rational way with day to day adversities. Book smarts can be measured by
standardized tests, but
> book smarts alone won't get you the job. Book smarts alone won't win you
the nobel prize. It takes
> hard work, pesistance and a hand firmly rooted IN reality. Those are
things that polls and
> standarized tests can't measure. It's affects can't be measured directly,
but only indirectly (sorta
> like prayer and what not, it's affects are only felt by the results it
produces).
>> The intelligence and qualities needed for a successful run in life are
taught and learned. You can
> combine Dr. Stephen Hawkings (poor guy) and Albert Einstein's brain
combined and stuffed into your
> skull, but it wouldn't make you half as successful as either of those men.
Both of those great
> scientists owe their discoveries to hard work, and even if you made them
both women, those
> discoveries would have STILL been made, those theories voiced, and our
world changed. Look at Marie
> Curie, one of the more famous female scientists of the 19th Century(?).
Our present understanding of
> X-rays is due to work she pioneered (and she was Polish to boot!).
>> <snip useless info>
>
Note that you are using anecdotal evidence to support a point about the
average of hundreds of millions of people, which wouldn't be valid even if
your anecdotes were accurate. But your ancedotes aren't accurate because
each of these (with the possible exception of Hawkings) was a jewish
creation, which means that it is a LIE.
First, let's quote that brilliant "wiberal" LeChevalier:
"This makes the assumption that those who know nothing guess randomly. IN
reality, we don't know that people guess randomly when faced with a test
question they do not understand. Indeed, we know that they do not."
Here are the FACTS, regardless of what people really do think (and we can't
really believe Gallup's polls because they're an obvious advocacy
organization).
This false, hypocritical statement summarizes what it is about "liberals"
educated in the US public "school" system that makes them so ignorant of the
world they live in and the life's philosophy of our Founding Forefathers who
made this a once-great country. The inability and unwillingness of
"liberals" to grasp some of the most basic concepts can probably never be
changed, no matter how much this nation spends for "education". They are in
fact living proof that doubling the cost of education from 4% to 8% of GDP
is most likely a major reason SAT scores plunged 98 points, the US scored
dead last in 17 of 34 TIMSS subjects, and American 12th grade girls scored
lower on one third of the multiple choice questions than if they'd just
guessed.
Is it even possible that there may be some truth to the statement: "Indeed,
we know that they do not ... guess randomly when faced with a test question
they do not understand"?
No, there is not. When American girls failed to correctly answer so many
multiple choice questions, and when the test results show that they did not
omit the question and did provide at least some kind of a response, then we
know that they guessed at many of the answers. Is it possible that their
guesses were not random?
The only evidence that they didn't guess randomly on many questions is the
fact that they scored lower on one third of the TIMSS physics questions than
if they had just guessed randomly. This means that there was some factor
that influenced them to answer the questions wrong, so their answers cannot
be considered to be random. Whether this is because they were taught the
wrong thing in the classroom (even though the boys sitting right next to
them were taught the right thing), or because they believed the myth about
"women's intuition" and decided to rely on this rather than answer the
question based on what they were taught, is irrelevant. The fact is that
being so consistent in selecting the wrong answer on this third of the test
is the only evidence we have that they didn't guess randomly.
Of the 38 physics questions for which the answers were made available to the
public, the amount by which girls scored higher than if they had just
guessed was statistically significant on 17 of them, the amount by which
they scored higher or lower than if they had just guessed was not
statistically significant on 12 of them, and the amount by which they scored
lower than if they had just guessed was statistically significant on 9 of
them.
Of the 17 questions or 45% of the test where the amount by which they scored
higher than if they'd just guessed and their responses were statistically
significant, they scored significantly lower than boys on 9 (24% of the
test), significantly higher on 1 (2.6% of the test), and the difference
between boys and girls was not statistically significant on 7 of them (18%
of the test). Of the 12 questions or 32% of the test where their response
was not statistically significant, they scored significantly lower than boys
on 4 and the difference was not statistically significant on 8 of them. Of
the 9 questions or 24% of the test where the amount by which they scored
significantly lower than if they'd just guessed, they scored significantly
lower than boys on 8 and significantly higher than boys on 1.
On some questions there may have been a clue that caused them to select one
answer over the other, so it could be argued that guesses on some other
questions were also not random. But when their responses were not
statistically significant on almost a third of the test, or 32% of the
questions, we know that at least ONE question didn't provide any clues like
this, which would mean that the only way they were able to provide a
response was to guess randomly, which makes this statement false. It's
highly likely that their responses to all 12 questions were based solely on
random guesses, which means that we know that they DID "guess randomly", not
that they did not.
Because their responses were lower than if they'd just guessed or were not
statistically significant on 21 questions, the results of this 55% of the
test cannot be used to assess their skills.
http://christianparty.net/timssphysics.htm
John Knight
