"John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote:
>"blujuju" <blujuju at hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ak6p3d$1g6odg$1 at ID-152937.news.dfncis.de...>> <bard at dmcom.net> wrote in message news:3D66DBF4.51CB at dmcom.net...>> : John Knight wrote:
>> : > The instant a "Catholic" claims that "Saul [is] the first king of the
>> Jews"
>> : > is the instant you know it's a jew.
>> :
>> : So parts of the new testiment and the Chaotlic Encycopedia was written
>> : by Jews.
>>Yes, if this is in the "Chaotlic Encycopedia" [sic] then it was written by
>jews.
>>Catholics know that Saul was an Israelite, not a jew.
Catholicism presently is defined by the rulings of Vatican II.
Here is what Vatican II said about the Jews:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
(Note that the first paragraph clearly ties the "Jews" to "Abraham's
stock").
>4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it
> remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New
> Covenant to Abraham's stock.
>>Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving
> design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found
> already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes
> that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith
> (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the
> salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen
> people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore,
> cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament
> through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded
> the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance
> from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been
> grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes
> that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles.
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> making both one in Himself.(8)
>>The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his
> kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and
> the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and
> from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son
> of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's
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> main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who
> proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish
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> people.
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>>As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of
> her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the
> Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God
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> holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not
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> repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the
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> witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same
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> Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all
> peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him
> shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)
>>Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so
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> great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual
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> understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical
> and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.
>>True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed
> for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion
> cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then
> alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new
> people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or
> accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All
> should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching
> of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform
> to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.
>>Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man,
> the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and
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> moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love,
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> decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed
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> against Jews at any time and by anyone.
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>>Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent
> His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of
> infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is,
> therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross
> of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain
> from which every grace flows.
>>5. We cannot truly call on God, the Father of all, if we refuse to
> treat in a brotherly way any man, created as he is in the image of
> God. Man's relation to God the Father and his relation to men his
> brothers are so linked together that Scripture says: "He who does not
> love does not know God" (1 John 4:8).
>>No foundation therefore remains for any theory or practice that leads
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> to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as
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> their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned.
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>>The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any
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> discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their
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> race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary,
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> following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this
> sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain
> good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible,
> to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may
> truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)
Footnote 11, which I highlighted, is
>11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light
> of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20
Thus, all Catholics, who by definition of their use of that name
accept the authority of the Pope and Vatican II, are unified in their
opposition to everything you stand for, nincompoop.
As usual, you lose again.
lojbab
